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March 14, 2013 at 5:51 am
What have you provided? All you and a few others have done is prove that you get your morals from secular law while denying biological facts.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:00 am
Biological facts? Nobody here has denied you, except where you are incorrect. The point of our disagreement is that you're imposing some additional significance onto a bunch of cells where none exist, and then demanding that everyone else follow on from this.

Throw as much emotive language about as you like, it doesn't change the actual facts: or are you denying that the fetus can't survive without the assistance of the mother? Because that's the real determination of personhood.
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March 14, 2013 at 6:12 am (This post was last modified: March 14, 2013 at 6:14 am by genkaus.)
(March 14, 2013 at 2:09 am)catfish Wrote: You guys are both funny, really you are. You will sit here and deny basic biology to support sanctioned murder... Weird, just weird...

Nobody is denying biology - but then biology has little to do with it.
(March 14, 2013 at 4:20 am)catfish Wrote: Definition of PERSON
1: human, individual —sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes <chairperson> <spokesperson>

Definition of MURDER
1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

Definition of HUMAN RIGHTS
: rights (as freedom from unlawful imprisonment, torture, and execution) regarded as belonging fundamentally to all persons

All definitions from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Nope, looks like I do know the definitions of those words...

The statement wasn't that you don't know these definitions, it was that you don't understand them.

(March 14, 2013 at 4:20 am)catfish Wrote: Care to redefine a person? Maybe a person doesn't (or didn't) exist as a fetus... Undecided

No, a person did exist as a fetus - but when it existed as a fetus, it wasn't a person then.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:18 am
ROFLOL

You guys!!! How did you know what amuses me?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:21 am
(March 14, 2013 at 6:18 am)catfish Wrote: ROFLOL

You guys!!! How did you know what amuses me?
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Well, given that your whole worldview is delusional, we just assumed that to you, truth would seem funny.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:21 am
(March 14, 2013 at 6:12 am)genkaus Wrote: No, a person did exist as a fetus - but when it existed as a fetus, it wasn't a person then.

If it's not a person, then you can't have an objection to sexism.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:28 am
(March 14, 2013 at 6:21 am)catfish Wrote:
(March 14, 2013 at 6:12 am)genkaus Wrote: No, a person did exist as a fetus - but when it existed as a fetus, it wasn't a person then.

If it's not a person, then you can't have an objection to sexism.

Not unless the sexism is with regards to the future person it may become.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:33 am
(March 14, 2013 at 6:28 am)genkaus Wrote:
(March 14, 2013 at 6:21 am)catfish Wrote: If it's not a person, then you can't have an objection to sexism.

Not unless the sexism is with regards to the future person it may become.

Nice, now apply "life" to "sexism"...
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:39 am
(March 14, 2013 at 6:33 am)catfish Wrote:
(March 14, 2013 at 6:28 am)genkaus Wrote: Not unless the sexism is with regards to the future person it may become.

Nice, now apply "life" to "sexism"...

1. You are free to object as much as you wish - just not legislate on the matter.

2. Be sure to be consistent in your application. "Life" applies where "sexism" doesn't, such as in case of sperm and eggs.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 14, 2013 at 6:44 am
1. Bullshit. We already legislate the matter.

2. "Life" applies at a higher morality than "sexism". If you can recognise sexism against a "future person", you should recognise murder too.
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