Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

[catfish]

You obviously don't know my position, let alone my "faith".
Fuck the Bible, I have never needed it to make a choice for anything in my life and your strawman has no weight.

[KichigaiNeko]

What is extremely funny is that 'pro-lifers' argue that a foetus is a human at say 0-13 weeks when clearly it is more liken to a fish and would considered an abomination in their ever loving eyes should it be born. The fact that it would not survive is also another laughable point yec/ pro-lifers neglect to mention.

So pathetic! catfud..go and study biology 101 BASICS .... seriously

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You obviously don't know my position, let alone my "faith".
Fuck the Bible, I have never needed it to make a choice for anything in my life and your strawman has no weight.

But your thoughts betray you young padawan...you cling to your faith, your bible, what your masters tell you as solid truth otherwise you would be educated enough to realise that you have no argument and are just wasting bandwidth.

If have no built a 'strawman' dearie but I am suspecting that you hoped to and have failed since page one.

sleep well

[catfish]

What is extremely funny is that 'pro-lifers' argue that a foetus is a human at say 0-13 weeks when clearly it is more liken to a fish and would considered an abomination in their ever loving eyes should it be born. The fact that it would not survive is also another laughable point yec/ pro-lifers neglect to mention.

So pathetic! catfud..go and study biology 101 BASICS .... seriously

What species is a human fetus? Answer the question honestly if you can.

[Esquilax]

What is extremely funny is that 'pro-lifers' argue that a foetus is a human at say 0-13 weeks when clearly it is more liken to a fish and would considered an abomination in their ever loving eyes should it be born. The fact that it would not survive is also another laughable point yec/ pro-lifers neglect to mention.

So pathetic! catfud..go and study biology 101 BASICS .... seriously

What species is a human fetus? Answer the question honestly if you can.

It's human, you dolt. It has human DNA, but that doesn't make it a person. It doesn't even make it an actual human, since not all things that have human DNA are humans; your hair is genetically human, but your hair is not a human.

Kichi's point was never that the fetus magically became a fish, just that physically it has much more in common with those species at that point in development. Given the criteria most rational people use to determine humanity- which you obviously don't use, given that genetic material is all you need to confer human status to a thing- then the fetus would not be human by those criteria.

See, generally speaking, biology wants exactness from its definitions, and your definition of a human- "a human is something with human DNA"- is not only vague, it's a tautology. So you either need to amend your fucking definition, in which case you're in trouble, or you need to keep insisting on the inaccurate one, in which case the argument is over because you're demonstrably wrong.

[catfish]

What species is a human fetus? Answer the question honestly if you can.

It's human, you dolt. It has human DNA, but that doesn't make it a person. It doesn't even make it an actual human, since not all things that have human DNA are humans; your hair is genetically human, but your hair is not a human.

Kichi's point was never that the fetus magically became a fish, just that physically it has much more in common with those species at that point in development. Given the criteria most rational people use to determine humanity- which you obviously don't use, given that genetic material is all you need to confer human status to a thing- then the fetus would not be human by those criteria.

See, generally speaking, biology wants exactness from its definitions, and your definition of a human- "a human is something with human DNA"- is not only vague, it's a tautology. So you either need to amend your fucking definition, in which case you're in trouble, or you need to keep insisting on the inaccurate one, in which case the argument is over because you're demonstrably wrong.

No, stop misrepresenting my position with your own biases.

A "human" is an individual lifeform that is formed from the fetilization of sperm and egg. That original single cell has it's own unique DNA, so it's nothing like a hair, toenail, sperm or egg and it sure as Hades isn't a fish... It's an individual human life with the same potential capacity as every other human who has survived through all stages of development.
You guys need to admit this basic fact or prove it otherwise. After you guys accept modern science and basic facts, we can discuss at what point it becomes immoral to whack a fetus.

[Esquilax]

No, stop misrepresenting my position with your own biases.

A "human" is an individual lifeform that is formed from the fetilization of sperm and egg. That original single cell has it's own unique DNA, so it's nothing like a hair, toenail, sperm or egg and it sure as Hades isn't a fish... It's an individual human life with the same potential capacity as every other human who has survived through all stages of development.
You guys need to admit this basic fact or prove it otherwise. After you guys accept modern science and basic facts, we can discuss at what point it becomes immoral to whack a fetus.

Except that still only gets you to "human fetus," not "fully human."

Seriously, are you not aware that science often classifies life forms according to their progression in the life cycle? It's why you've got a word like tadpole, rather than calling them "frogs in potentia."

Oh, and by the way, I've recalled a number of people telling you this in past pages, too.

[catfish]

When you admit what it is, we can assign adjectives. How hard is that comprehend? An undeveloped human is still a human, how fucking hard is it to admit this basic fact?

[Esquilax]

I don't know how many more times I can say it - its a human fetus - not an individual human. It is genetically human, not anthropologically or socially human. Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human. If you're still too moronic to understand the logic, I don't know what else I could tell you.

Hey catfish? Here's genkaus literally admitting that a fetus is human- by some definitions- several pages back. Most of us have been. We just then add a bit of nuance, a term that appears to be completely lost on you at all times.

[catfish]

I don't know how many more times I can say it - its a human fetus - not an individual human. It is genetically human, not anthropologically or socially human. Since rights are a social concept, they are not applicable to the fetus since it doesn't qualify as a human. If you're still too moronic to understand the logic, I don't know what else I could tell you.

Hey catfish? Here's genkaus literally admitting that a fetus is human- by some definitions- several pages back. Most of us have been. We just then add a bit of nuance, a term that appears to be completely lost on you at all times.

No, he asserted that it wasn't an individual human...

[KichigaiNeko]

catfud IS rather stupid on this one isn't he Esquilax??

OR

IS catfud just being a deliberate troll?

One wonders one does