Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...

[Esquilax]

Okay, I can't delete that glitched post for whatever reason, so lemme try this again:

Stop with the fucking qualifiers and legal definitions.
It is an individual human with unique DNA, there's no denying this fact and you are a fool to make the attempt .

Ah! So we're back to genetic definitions then, despite the fact that earlier they were a misrepresentation of your position? Is genetics the determinating factor of what's human or not? Why do you want it both ways?

And while we're on the subject, what about human chimera? Are they one person, or two? After all, they've got two unique sets of DNA. What do you say, catfish: if unique DNA confers humanity, then surely these single-bodied, single consciousness possessing beings must therefore be two people, right? I mean, it's only consistent with your definition.

I believe I explained this to you earlier. The fact that you continue to use this "argument" testifies to either monumental ignorance on your part, or the kind of dishonesty that makes further debate with you less than worthless.

So which one is it, catfish: are you an asshole, or an idiot?

Is a human fetus an individual lifeform or not?

I didn't think you'd pick both...

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Is this a cop-out?

No, just a glitch. I thought you'd be able to know the difference, being the king of cop outs yourself.

[KichigaiNeko]

Speaking of "cop-outs"

@catfudz
If you insist that you are apart from and not a part of this wondrous thing that you call creation, you will always struggle with the science. Sorry pumpkin, but you are from the same pond scum as the rest of us...nothing special about you.

So just WHY is it that Palm trees have never grown (in the last 6000 years at least) in the Scandinavian countries? Just WHY is it that humans are drawn to the sea? (or other large bodies of water?)

And with your conversation with Esquilax... just WHY is bacteria not considered a "life form" by you...who would happily kill billions every day in the shower? And you dare to CALL yourself "pro-life"?

No my dear catfudz..you are the result of cult brainwashing, you have no answers and are only able to bully and blight any argument that doesn't agree with what some cock in a frock has shoved down your throat (metaphorically speaking)

[NoraBrimstone]

So? Human =/= person.
And why exactly are you avoiding my miscarriage question? Is it because you know you'll suddenly destroy your own "argument"?

No, because you were an insulting and rude dumbass and I knew it would bother you...

I'll take that as a no and ask you why you think the death of an unborn person shouldn't be investigated in the same manner as a born person?

[catfish]

Speaking of "cop-outs"

@catfudz
If you insist that you are apart from and not a part of this wondrous thing that you call creation, you will always struggle with the science. Sorry pumpkin, but you are from the same pond scum as the rest of us...nothing special about you.

So just WHY is it that Palm trees have never grown (in the last 6000 years at least) in the Scandinavian countries? Just WHY is it that humans are drawn to the sea? (or other large bodies of water?)

And with your conversation with Esquilax... just WHY is bacteria not considered a "life form" by you...who would happily kill billions every day in the shower? And you dare to CALL yourself "pro-life"?

No my dear catfudz..you are the result of cult brainwashing, you have no answers and are only able to bully and blight any argument that doesn't agree with what some cock in a frock has shoved down your throat (metaphorically speaking)

If you continue with strawmen, it'll be easier to think that you're right, huh?

[KichigaiNeko]

Please catfudz ...I don't want to know about your sex life

And please stop projecting your inadequacies onto the good people of this forum.

[catfish]

Please catfudz ...I don't want to know about your sex life

And please stop projecting your inadequacies onto the good people of this forum.

Says the dumbass who claims a human fetus isn't an individual human...

[NoraBrimstone]

Please catfudz ...I don't want to know about your sex life

And please stop projecting your inadequacies onto the good people of this forum.

Says the dumbass who claims a human fetus isn't an individual human...

Once more: human =/= person.
And even if it was, the mother's rights should come first because she is the conscious being it is using as a host.

[Esquilax]

Says the dumbass who claims a human fetus isn't an individual human...

So are chimera two humans, or are you just plain wrong?

[catfish]

Once more: human =/= person.
And even if it was, the mother's rights should come first because she is the conscious being it is using as a host.

I'm not arguing your definition of a person, now am I?
I'm relaying the scientific fact that a human zygote/fetus in an individual lifeform and you guys are denying that it's true. < This is what I find humorous...
Once you admit what it is, we can talk about the morality of killing it. (that's what this is about, btw)

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Says the dumbass who claims a human fetus isn't an individual human...

So are chimera two humans, or are you just plain wrong?

I saw your post, you answered yourself with "single-bodied, single consciousness possessing", it's kinda silly to argue for multiple individuals after that statement...

[Esquilax]

I'm not arguing your definition of a person, now am I?
I'm relaying the scientific fact tha a human zygote/fetus in an individual lifeform and you guys are denying that it's true. < This is what I find humorous...
Once you admit what it is, we can talk about the morality of killing it. (that's what this is about, btw)

Well, when you're arguing that what makes it human is its distinct DNA, then you'll need to provide for these additional problems in your definition when they come up. But if you can't, well, then you're just plain wrong.

But you're also bouncing about a lot, too: a moment ago you were talking about what makes a fetus human, but now that you've encountered a question you can't answer about that, you've switched to talking about what makes it alive despite the fact that even a cursory glance at previous pages would tell you that most of us have been likening the little mite to a parasite for the entire thread. Parasites are very definitely alive, but in this sense the fetus is alive in the way that most cells are alive.

Alive, but not conscious.

Now, would you like to leap to some other topic without acknowledging that you're wrong on this one? That's been your habit thus far.

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I saw your post, you answered yourself with "single-bodied, single consciousness possessing", it's kinda silly to argue for multiple individuals after that statement...

Except that you yourself, mere posts ago, was arguing that what differentiates the fetus as its own distinct human being is its unique DNA.

Chimera have two sets of DNA. Your options are either to admit that you don't differentiate fetuses based on the uniqueness of their DNA, or admit that that definition is flawed.