Toaster strudel alliance takes on drugs, atheists and liberalism

[Creed of Heresy]

Oh wow.

"The rave scene is a gateway?"

I've been regularly going to raves at nightclubs for the last seven years to the tune of at least once a month. NONE of those things exist except in the seediest inner city nightclubs in the slums of Detroit and LA, and hell, even in Detroit, in the 5 Mile line, you didn't see that shit nearly as much as you're making out like it is.

You know something, I know a lot of people on a lot of different drugs. My friend's father is basically addicted to cocaine. Guy is in his late 50s, in rather good health, and owns his own business, makes a fuckton of money, and doesn't generally seem to have any problems with anything.

I think what you've seen is a load of bullshit. And your two cents are worth nothing. "It is all bad." Moralfag, much? This is the same guy who says that slavery is A-OK in certain situations, but apparently weed and alcohol? They're BAD NEWS, BRO.

Please.

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Get a focking MFLB mate!

You'll stretch that 1/8th into two weeks (chronic usage).

Probably much longer.

WARNING: Creed's limited knowledge of acronyms showing in 3...2...1!

Wuzza MFLB? D:

[jstrodel]

I never said slavery was ok. I think if people are starving to death, it would be better for them to sell themselves into slavery then starve. That is not saying it is A-OK, slavery is dehumanizing and brutal. It is a very good thing that it is illegal.

Where I live, we used to have a place called Buttons Arcade. They had a drug bust, it was the largest in history. They found weapons, every drug you could think of. One guy had rape charges. Why would I make that up?

[John V]

If you can't enjoy life sober as much as you do on drugs, you have a drug problem. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say you have a life problem.

If you can enjoy life sober as much as on drugs, then why spend the money and take the health risks of drugs?

[Something completely different]

If you can't enjoy life sober as much as you do on drugs, you have a drug problem. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say you have a life problem.

agreed

edit:

fuck, I missread! I thought you wrote "If one enjoys life more when drunk than sober". So yeah, I disagree and beneath is why.

If you can enjoy life sober as much as on drugs, then why spend the money and take the health risks of drugs?

Hey! Why not destroy all videogames, Pc`s, all alcohol and why not every structure upholding civilisation itself and live as huntergatherers again?

After all, living as hunter gatherer doesnt seem to be that much without fun!

Most people out there into ecstasy are into coke and/or meth. I challenge you to find people that are seriously into ecstasy that don't do those drugs. Of course you can say I will just try it, what if you like it? I won't say it doesn't feel good, the comedown hurts a lot more sometimes than the high. I've had comedowns that have seemed to turn into long term depressive episodes.

You can say I'm a dumbass and I should just control myself, but many others have expressed those sentiments, read about drugs, got into it and started getting really into it. Because you can read erowid or whatever does not protect you from the dangers of using drugs.

Ok from my expirience extecy and acid was more widespread amongst those who went to drum & base festivals or lengthy GOA sesions, whilest the coke and speed users like myself went to savage tek festivals and death metal events.

This may only be a personal expirience, but anyway - I think drug use is different from individual to individual and that generalisations over which drug is used by which person isnt possible.

[Napoléon]

If you can't enjoy life sober as much as you do on drugs, you have a drug problem. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say you have a life problem.

You're saying everyone on the planet who likes to have a drink of alcohol once in a while has a life problem?

Kindly fuck off out of this thread.

If you can enjoy life sober as much as on drugs, then why spend the money and take the health risks of drugs?

Who fucking said you have to have drugs to have a good time? No one's even said that you disingenuous cunt.

[John V]

It makes me laugh when people say things like this, I'm willing to bet just because you have said this you have never taken ecstasy.

True, it wasn't around when I was into drugs.

Natural happiness vs happiness on ecstasy is like having a day to day normal headache vs someone throwing a brick at your face.

I'd rather have a normal headache than a brick thrown at my face, so that was a pretty poorly planned analogy.

It's an outside stimulus that doesn't ask for your permission to change the way you think or how you feel, any normally wired human being enjoys life more on ecstasy than they do normal life, the trick is to be aware and to know this and to move on and to think that life is about more than just experiencing a supernatural degree of happiness 6 hours at a time because of a pill.

1. Life extends past the 6 hours. Apparently a significant number of people find the following days or even days to be far less enjoyable than normal life. You don't know if you'll be one of those people beforehand.

2. No one knows beforehand if they'll be able to pull off "the trick" and keep this perspective.

Although i agree with the statement in a sense of long term drug abuse is usually a sign that something is wrong in a persons life, and there is a thin line between use and abuse. But just as a generalized statement it doesn't really work.

Strictly as stated it is somewhat of a false dichotomy, but the principle is sound. You're spending money on something that provides at best transitory pleasure but can cause harm. You can alternatively save money, do something pleasurable if less intense, and depending on what you choose have something long-term to show for it and provide additional pleasure.

[paulpablo]

It makes me laugh when people say things like this, I'm willing to bet just because you have said this you have never taken ecstasy.

True, it wasn't around when I was into drugs.

Natural happiness vs happiness on ecstasy is like having a day to day normal headache vs someone throwing a brick at your face.

I'd rather have a normal headache than a brick thrown at my face, so that was a pretty poorly planned analogy.
pleasure.

You don't understand how the analogy works if you think it was a poorly planned analogy.

I had already presupposed believe it or not that you would rather have a normal headache than a brick thrown in your face.
The actual point was that ecstasy is more extreme and is an outside stimulus that directly effects the brains happiness.
Natural happiness is less extreme it is often caused by an outside stimulus but with less of a direct brutal effect.
A headache is usually less extreme and more natural although can be caused by an outside stimulus but less direct and brutal.
In conclusion
Taking ecstasy is a direct unsubtle way of changing the dopamine levels within the brain in comparison to someone telling you a joke, or feeling good after a hard days work.
Having a brick thrown in your face is a direct unsubtle way of causing pain to your face, in comparison to having a headache.

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1. Life extends past the 6 hours. Apparently a significant number of people find the following days or even days to be far less enjoyable than normal life. You don't know if you'll be one of those people beforehand.

I always felt happy the day after taking ecstasy just from thinking of memories from the night before, same with my friends at the time so i can only talk from my own perspective and what their behavior was like.
I've had several friends go crazy from taking speed and having psychotic come downs from that, but never ecstasy.

The only direct downside i found from taking ecstasy is that it made me mr charming towards girls in an extreme way but I'd never want to have sex with them because i was having too much of a good time just being on the drug, which looking back was such a waste of time when i could have been with the girls instead.
These days I'd choose sex over any drug.

[jstrodel]

[rexbeccarox]

No, actually fuck you. YOU screwed up your life. You can't blame it on drugs YOU chose to take over and over.

[jstrodel]

No, actually fuck you. YOU screwed up your life. You can't blame it on drugs YOU chose to take over and over.

This is what you call an atheist approach to ethics. I'm going to do whatever I want, and if it hurts other people, its their fault. Veganism?

Atheists are the leaders when it comes to love and compassion.