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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 2:24 am
Quote:Here's why. Most denominations of Christianity prohibit all sex outside of marriage.
Yeah, but....so few people listen.....
especially the priests....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_...story.html
or the ministers......
Quote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/14...77551.html
or the rabbis....
http://www.timesofisrael.com/prominent-l...x-scandal/
or the imams.....
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2012/0...-molested/
or the Greek Orthodox...
http://www.rickross.com/reference/clergy/clergy887.html
I think you get the hint.
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 2:57 am
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(March 19, 2013 at 2:06 am)Godschild Wrote: (March 19, 2013 at 1:48 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No..... I saw you assert that Christian ™ "are taught to overcome, by allowing Christ to be their guide, instead of those things that drive most humans to bad behavior."
Since this "bad behaviour" is also perpetrated by Christians™ would you not also agree that this system of Christianity ™ is to blame in part for the ongoing bad behaviour?
No, Christianity is walking with God, it is a spiritual act that is to be reflected in the here and now. You are confusing the law with a relationship with Christ. So in actuality it is the lack of a walk with Christ, I'm not saying it's a complete lack, it is the temporary non Christian action of a Christian that involves a Christian in bad behavior. We screw up and sometimes royally, and we are to return to a better walk with God, this begins with repentance.
So you are deniging your own words? 
OK as to try to wriggle OUT of what you have said.
Then please explain just WHY so many Christians™, are behaving badly?
Mind you that's the most conveluted piece of gobbledy gook we have seen for a while G-C...welcome back.
(March 19, 2013 at 2:06 am)Godschild Wrote: (March 19, 2013 at 1:38 am)catfish Wrote: You have the wrong driving force then.
I try to allow Christ to be my driving force, so to speak, I'm not always successful, so repentance on my part helps to restore my walk with Him.
Could it be that there is no "driving force" and that Christianity ™ is a failed morality system desperately dependent on the empathy of it's adherents?
As it's proponents behave deceitfully as Min has clearly pointed out?
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 5:51 am
(March 17, 2013 at 1:41 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I used that as example to demonstrate that rape has obvious sexual aspects. It turns some people on. Bullshit. That kind of pornography is no more "legitimate" than the child porn that Denmark produced - in fact it's even less legitimate because when the Danish made child porn at leas they didn't portray it as being "non consensual" or "violent"!!!!! Yes you heard me right the USA produced "pseudo rape" and "violent" pornography is WORSE than the Danish child porn, without question, without doubt. The fact that it isn't stigmatised the way child porn is in your culture tells me something about that US culture.
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 5:56 am
(March 19, 2013 at 5:51 am)Aractus Wrote: (March 17, 2013 at 1:41 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I used that as example to demonstrate that rape has obvious sexual aspects. It turns some people on. Bullshit. That kind of pornography is no more "legitimate" than the child porn that Denmark produced - in fact it's even less legitimate because when the Danish made child porn at leas they didn't portray it as being "non consensual" or "violent"!!!!! Yes you heard me right the USA produced "pseudo rape" and "violent" pornography is WORSE than the Danish child porn, without question, without doubt. The fact that it isn't stigmatised the way child porn is in your culture tells me something about that US culture.
Um... but how does any of that refute the notion that both...- um, genres, maybe?- or porn exist for sexual gratification? Whether or not you find them repulsive, the fact that they exist and are pornography that is consumed implies that someone is getting off on them. Which was TEGH's point to begin with.
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 6:07 am
(March 17, 2013 at 12:18 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Assuming "bad sexual desires" are those desires that would inflict harm on others if acted upon, I think it might be the case that Christianity (or any religion with draconian sexual ethics) might at least be partially to blame for people developing such desires.
I wouldn't say that. Assuming that we're talking about crimes like rape or sexual molestation, those are crimes of power, using sexual humiliation as the instrument of domination. I recall reading that many rapists are unable to consummate the sex act in the normal manner-- they cannot achieve sexual stimulation unless they're harming their victim in some way.
The attempt to repress sexual activity by Christianity (or most religions, as far as I can tell) may not work out as well as they desire, but that could be from a number of causes, and some of those can probably be pinned on the religion. There are valid questions to ask regarding sex, such as why our sex drive is similar to that of other mammals if we're only supposed to enjoy it under very limited circumstances, but that's a more general question.
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 6:09 am
(March 17, 2013 at 12:18 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Assuming "bad sexual desires" ..............................
Is this one of your "assume aliens invade and want slaves", "assume we can ride unichorns", "assume god exists and he wants human sacrifices" threads?
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 12:36 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 6:09 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: (March 17, 2013 at 12:18 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Assuming "bad sexual desires" ..............................
Is this one of your "assume aliens invade and want slaves", "assume we can ride unichorns", "assume god exists and he wants human sacrifices" threads?
No. Read the rest.
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 12:56 pm
I wouldn't pin it on any religious faith, no. I would very confidently pin the exacerbation of such a "problem" insomuch as it exists- on a repressive faith though, sure. No sense in robbing them of the achievements they worked so diligently to accomplish. Credit where it's due and all.
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Even before you get to the issue of sex, the bible starts out with a rigged game story and the 2 original players are used as pawns without any consent. It blames humans for a system the god character did not have to set up in the first place. Then this god character blames us for what he didn't have to allow himself.
It teaches self loathing and punishes you for what is in reality, our natural biological behavior.
Hitchens said it best something along the lines of "What kind of "design" is it to put an entertainment system in the middle of a sewage system?"
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RE: Bad sexual desires Christianity's fault?
March 19, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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"Oh wearisome condition of Humanity!
Born under one law, to another bound,
Vainly begot and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound:
What meaneth Nature by these diverse laws?
Passion and reason self-division cause.
Is it the mask or majesty of Power
To make offences that it may forgive?"
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I'm partial to the bolded bit. The closing thoughts of that one are pretty solid as well.
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