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The concept of Hell discourages belief
#81
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 25, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I died and resurrected myself.

Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

Eitherway, know he who claim to be God or even all of his Apstoles died terriable deaths, save one. (He died on an Island Prision) So.. it seems you like your sailor buddy are painting yourselves into a corner with only one way out.

What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.
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#82
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote: Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

I told you that I died and resurrected myself. What more proof do you need?
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#83
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 25, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I died and resurrected myself.

Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

Eitherway, know he who claim to be God or even all of his Apstoles died terriable deaths, save one. (He died on an Island Prision) So.. it seems you like your sailor buddy are painting yourselves into a corner with only one way out.

What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

Have to disagree here. I think Ryan has provided an even more compelling case:

For one thing, we know that Ryan is a real person and we can interact with him.

Secondly, we don't know for sure if Ryan has died or not, but we know for sure he's alive now.

Finally, being that Ryan has now claimed death and resurrection which, let's face it, is a BIG DEAL, we are not going to act as if this event is unworthy of credible documentation and historical note.

No, we are going to take pictures of Ryan, record dates and accurate testimony that doesn't contradict itself, and collect as much physical evidence as possible. With that, no one will ever be able to refute that Ryan was, in the very least, a real person who made such bold claims.
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#84
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 25, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I died and resurrected myself.

Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

Eitherway, know he who claim to be God or even all of his Apstoles died terriable deaths, save one. (He died on an Island Prision) So.. it seems you like your sailor buddy are painting yourselves into a corner with only one way out.

What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

Who are you to test the divine Ryantology, Drich? He doesn't have to prove himself to you, his truth is written onto the hearts of every man. All you need to do is A/S/K, and you shall know His true nature.

... And a bunch of other things. Get the picture yet?
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#85
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote: What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

Good point. This is all suspect until someone writes a letter to his local congregation explaining how Ryantology died and was reborn in the flesh (even if he did look like someone else until he convinced people by telling them "it's me-- Ryantology!!!). Once we have the Gospel of Wilbur, then we can start taking it seriously.
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#86
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 12:42 am)Ryantology Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote: Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

I told you that I died and resurrected myself. What more proof do you need?

As you have not yet asended into Heaven I would say you would need to do this anytime someone asked. Why else would you be here? After all that is what the reason Christ spent 3 years teaching and establish His deity. He did it through miricals, and ending with His death and resurection, but as you seem to be a one trick pony, then you need to perform your trick to each and every person that asks... For isn't that what you ask of God?
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#87
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote: What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.



You justifying your God-
If logic doesn't support your God, then it just shows that the type of God logic would support doesn't exist, it doesn't mean that a God which logic does NOT support is false, right?

You explaining why the God we propose must be false-
If you were God, you would die and then resurect yourself, since you have not, then you clearly are not God.

Us explaining to you-
What you fail to comprehend is that a physical body dying and not resurecting itself doesn't prove anything as to the validity of anyones claim to be God. It only allows you to personally to decide if the outcome of such an event, should it occur or not, fits YOUR expectation of what a God-possessed human body SHOULD do if it was killed. It doesn't show that such a requirement is necessary to prove that a God possessed body would NOT produce different results than you expect and yet still actually be a real God-possessed body by the God we claim is real.

Neither of us have evidence, its just bullshit claims that cannot be proved one way or the other.

Its amazing to me that you cannot grasp the concept of an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

The pen is BLUE!!!

(March 26, 2013 at 9:46 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 12:42 am)Ryantology Wrote: I told you that I died and resurrected myself. What more proof do you need?

As you have not yet asended into Heaven I would say you would need to do this anytime someone asked. Why else would you be here? After all that is what the reason Christ spent 3 years teaching and establish His deity. He did it through miricals, and ending with His death and resurection, but as you seem to be a one trick pony, then you need to perform your trick to each and every person that asks... For isn't that what you ask of God?


You're an idiot. Which yes, is an Ad Hominem.

Here's another fallacy for ya...
But if you're not going to abide by the rules of logic, why should I?
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#88
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 9:46 am)Drich Wrote: As you have not yet asended into Heaven I would say you would need to do this anytime someone asked. Why else would you be here? After all that is what the reason Christ spent 3 years teaching and establish His deity. He did it through miricals, and ending with His death and resurection, but as you seem to be a one trick pony, then you need to perform your trick to each and every person that asks... For isn't that what you ask of God?

Ryantology works in mysterious ways, dude. Who says he's not posting from heaven right now? Can you prove otherwise?

Who says he's a one trick pony? Clearly you haven't heard of the great miracles of Ryantology! Or else you're denying them because of the wages of sin on your imperfect mind! But Ryantology is perfect, if only you'd A/S/K you'd know that! Isn't my personal experience of Ryantology's divinity enough to prove it to you?
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#89
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
(March 26, 2013 at 1:20 am)smax Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote: Then allow me to offer my services to you oh, great one. Allow me to make a you tube video of you getting shot/shooting yourself, die and then resurrecting your self.

Eitherway, know he who claim to be God or even all of his Apstoles died terriable deaths, save one. (He died on an Island Prision) So.. it seems you like your sailor buddy are painting yourselves into a corner with only one way out.

What neither of you two genusis fail to comperhend is There is indeed a way to 'prove' if one is God. That is Dead and Resurection. All who claim deity are put to this test in one fashion or another, only one to date has passed.

Have to disagree here. I think Ryan has provided an even more compelling case:

For one thing, we know that Ryan is a real person and we can interact with him.

Secondly, we don't know for sure if Ryan has died or not, but we know for sure he's alive now.

Finally, being that Ryan has now claimed death and resurrection which, let's face it, is a BIG DEAL, we are not going to act as if this event is unworthy of credible documentation and historical note.

No, we are going to take pictures of Ryan, record dates and accurate testimony that doesn't contradict itself, and collect as much physical evidence as possible. With that, no one will ever be able to refute that Ryan was, in the very least, a real person who made such bold claims.
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#90
RE: The concept of Hell discourages belief
I need to share a personal experience with you guys:

Last night, I prayed to Ryan in Ryan's name according to Ryan's will. I asked him to show me a sign, and guess what?

My car was stolen while I slept! And, as disappointed as I am about that, I am so thankful that Lord Ryan answered my prayer. Plus I think this is Ryan's way of showing me that I need to exercise more, or stop ruining the environment with that smog machine I call a car.

(March 26, 2013 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 26, 2013 at 1:20 am)smax Wrote: Have to disagree here. I think Ryan has provided an even more compelling case:

For one thing, we know that Ryan is a real person and we can interact with him.

Secondly, we don't know for sure if Ryan has died or not, but we know for sure he's alive now.

Finally, being that Ryan has now claimed death and resurrection which, let's face it, is a BIG DEAL, we are not going to act as if this event is unworthy of credible documentation and historical note.

No, we are going to take pictures of Ryan, record dates and accurate testimony that doesn't contradict itself, and collect as much physical evidence as possible. With that, no one will ever be able to refute that Ryan was, in the very least, a real person who made such bold claims.
Best Rate Fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

The probability of Ryan being god far outweighs the probability of Jesus being god.

Existence alone at least triples the degree of probability.
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