As time goes by

[fr0d0]

Evie was saying that theism is getting 'dated' and irrelevant whereas atheism is current, which is of course bollocks. Non belief presumably pre dates belief.

[Violet]

It does, and atheism has remained exactly the same since the human specie ever evolved. In fact, it has remained exactly the same since the 'beginning' of the universe. Theism, on the other hand, is positively new.

[fr0d0]

Yeah so damn! Get with it ppl!

[Violet]

Get with stupidity?

[Minimalist]

Theism, on the other hand, is positively new.

So is a fresh cow turd but I see no reason to worship one.

[fr0d0]

Get with stupidity?

New = stupid

[ecolox]

Do really you think that what is morally good changes with time?

Yes, morality is an ethical system, ethics are defined by society and are relative to it. What's more it is quite evidence (even using your own bible as an historical source) that morality changes over time.

So the ethics defined by the Nazis were relative to it. Could you honestly oppose such a society? How?

As I'll always ask - care to back up your claim at all - this time about the Bible and morphing morality?

E.g. Will murder (condemned years ago) be ok in such and such years - accommodating futuristic attitudes, lifestyles, or circumstances (maybe overpopulation)?

Murder is a legal concept (the illegal killing of an individual) and only reflects morality in a rights based society. According to your bible genocide, indeed the wiping out of an entire world's population all bar 8, was justifiable in moral terms.

Are you saying that murder could be fine by you, if a society defined it as such (like the Nazis did) or not?

Can a person be legally killed (as in the Biblical example)? What are you getting at exactly? Be plain, if you will.

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It does, and atheism has remained exactly the same since the human specie ever evolved. In fact, it has remained exactly the same since the 'beginning' of the universe. Theism, on the other hand, is positively new.

What do you mean "the 'beginning' of the universe"? Don't atheists think that, at the very least, the potential for our current predicament has always existed? Now, how does that work?

Also, why do you define atheism in terms of human evolution? If atheism only requires a lack of belief then even a box of rocks qualifies as atheistic - so shouldn't you say atheism has remained exactly the same for eternity - long before the beginning? Wouldn't that be more accurate? "Build your house on atheism, been around since before the beginning".

So is a fresh cow turd but I see no reason to worship one.

What does an atheist hold in high esteem or worship? Not God, not a fresh cow turd, what then? What does an atheist live for - if you don't mind my asking?

[Retorth]

What does an atheist hold in high esteem or worship? Not God, not a fresh cow turd, what then? What does an atheist live for - if you don't mind my asking?

We do not hold the spiritual or supernatural in high esteem, neither do we worship anything. There is no need to worship mysterious forces because life is to be lived here and now. You make the best of what you have and enjoy it to the fullest.

Besides, how can you hold such a god in high esteem who claims to care for each and every person when there are millions dying every day of starvation?

I live for my family, to love and care for them, to protect and learn from them as they do with me as well. I live to appreciate what I have and to strive to be the best that I can be. I do not live, however, for imaginary beings. Life does not need the supernatural to make sense. If you need the supernatural for your life to make sense, then perhaps you are simply dissatisfied with what you have around you.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Do really you think that what is morally good changes with time?

A moral relativist I reject the notion of moral absolutes and any moral authority other than individual conscience.

I accept LEGAL authority TO A DEGREE, but not absolutely. It's in my best interest to do so for the most part and from fear of punishment (EG I REALLY do not want to go to prison to become the wife of a 300 pound biker called "House" )

Not only do I assert that morality changes with time, I assert it changes constantly with circumstances. This principle is called "the ends justify the means" and is how the world REALLY works. Such a principle was also accepted and encouraged by YHWH, as even a casual glance the Torah will show.

"What do atheists worship?" is a meaningless question. Atheism is a position of disbelief only ,not a religion or ideology. NOTHING is implied (suggested) or many be inferred (concluded) from that position.

SOME atheists may worship power,wealth, their spouse, or a political leader.(or anything else they choose) Those things have nothing to do with atheism, and everything to do with individual psychological needs.

I have no need to worship anything or anyone...The purpose of life to me is itself and that is enough. I love life and enjoy every day. I try not to judge or criticise those who see life differently,as long as they stay out of my face. I have only contempt for proselytisers,ranging from the loopiest evangelicals to the militant atheist who wants to destroy religion and gets upset when I disagree...

[Darwinian]

What does an atheist hold in high esteem or worship? Not God, not a fresh cow turd, what then? What does an atheist live for - if you don't mind my asking?

Are you saying that without theism life for you wouldn't be worth living? That a world full of mystery and wonder, the fascination of finding out how things work and the love of family and friends would simply not be enough for you?

And what is worship and why should anyone want to worship anything? And why for that matter, would anything demand to be worshiped?