Disabled Gay teen burned alive at a BDAY party, perp gets 3years?

[Autumnlicious]

Murder seems easy.

But god help you if you post Swastikas in Germany.

[CapnAwesome]

That's why you should have mandatory sentencing for shit like this. The same people who want a rehabilitative prison system are those that cry foul when that same soft on crime system lets someone off easy who did something horrible to one of their own. I would give that guy the death penalty or life in prison. That the victim is gay is irrelevant, his motive is irrelevant, it's all irrelevant other than that he killed someone. Justice needs to be blind and as long as we classify stuff with motive and the like this is what happens.

In other news, the worst serial killer in modern history was released by Ecuador because they have a maximum sentence of 20 years and nobody in the west seemed to notice. He raped and killed 300 young girls. It equals about 1 month of time for every person he killed. His whereabouts are unknown.

http://www.editinternational.com/read.ph...dbd11af56e

[Autumnlicious]

You don't need mandatory sentencing unless you have compiled all the possible events into a coherent set of laws.

The massive problem is what lead the idiot judge up to "3 years".

Aggravating circumstances were seemingly ignored.

Why were they ignored?

[CapnAwesome]

You don't need mandatory sentencing unless you have compiled all the possible events into a coherent set of laws.

The massive problem is what lead the idiot judge up to "3 years".

Aggravating circumstances were seemingly ignored.

Why were they ignored?

Well we have a system that is subject to human error. You can't expect a perfect system when people are in charge. This stuff will always happen when judges decide sentencing. If certain crimes always carried certain sentences then this wouldn't happen. You can't have it both ways and then complain when it fails.

[Autumnlicious]

Judges have shown themselves capable for the vast majority of cases.

Why this one?

Also, why is judicial error like this unpunished or unconfronted?

You advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I want additional feedback to resolve these problems.

Not idiotic simple solutions.

[justin]

I would Take this ol' boy down a dirt road and no one would ever miss him. Fuck this guy. Why? Why is this behavior being dumb down as if it wasn't a serious crime? Why was this guy doing this evil shit? Why did no one step in? No on helped the kid? Wtf? Why was this perps teeth not kicked the hell in? This is b.s.!

[Mystical]

http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2013/03/22/t...day-party/

An 18-year-old boy died after being set on fire at his own birthday party.

Steven Simpson was doused in tanning oil and set alight by Jordan Sheard, who, according to the Mail had 'gatecrashed' the 18th birthday celebrations.

Steven suffered 60 per cent burns during the attack, and died a day later from his injuries.

The openly-gay teenager was also found to have homophobic and obscene insults written on his face, forearm and stomach.

Sheard was said to have only vaguely known Mr Simpson when he turned up at his home in Barnsley, Yorkshire, last June along with two of his friends.

The court heard that as Steven – who had Asperger's syndrome, epilepsy and a speech impairment - became increasingly drunk, he was dared by his guests to strip down to his boxer shorts.

Sarah Wright, prosecuting, said the events which then took place were 'described as good-natured fun' but in reality was 'cruel behaviour' to someone who was 'vulnerable and an easy target'.

A reveller took a can of Calypso tanning oil from Mr Simpson's bedroom and guests chanted 'light it, light it' after it was poured over him.

Sheard then held a cigarette lighter to Steven's groin, and the oil ignited, setting the teenager on fire. Sheard then ran away from the scene, and a neighbour, Sean Banner, was said to be the only person who helped the tragic teen as he was engulfed in flames.

Judge Roger Keen told Sheard that his running away from the scene had caused him 'serious aggravation' in setting his prison sentence.

The Mirror reports that he told Sheard that the evening had involved good-natured horseplay' but that putting a flame to a man doused in flammable fluid was 'a highly dangerous act'.

Sheard had initially claimed that Steven had set himself on fire, but eventually admitted the charge of manslaughter and was jailed for three years and six months.

His lawyer Andrew Smith said the incident was a 'criminally stupid prank that went wrong in a bad way' and added that his client had been 'deeply and significantly affected by what he has done and the tragic consequences that ensued from it'.

Okay. Totally the Judges' fault here. Anyone care to guess why? Next I'm going to go see his voting history on matters pertaining to sexuality.

I can't recall any actual perpetraters in the US being charged with such a crime.. I do however recall stories like this one, of unknown victims being found burnt to death on the side of the highway or in the desert. Maybe it's an American MO.
I found plenty of videos from other nations though of people burning to death. Apparently they just don't video tape them here/do their atrocities in a public setting.

http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2011/11/11/...4Sy3i.dpbs

[CapnAwesome]

Judges have shown themselves capable for the vast majority of cases.

Why this one?

Also, why is judicial error like this unpunished or unconfronted?

You advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I want additional feedback to resolve these problems.

Not idiotic simple solutions.

Could you enlighten me as to what you find idiotic about the law being applied evenly to people? Also judges most certainly are not capable in the vast majority of cases. Are you aware of the differences in death penalty cases between people with public defenders and those without? With mandatory sentences for crimes like murder it makes an egalitarian system that is incapable of making an error like this.

I mean you want to make this about the guy being gay and be outraged but propose no solutions other than have better judges. I would posit that it is impossible to have better judges because people are human beings and subject to bias, error, corruption.

[Autumnlicious]

Could you enlighten me as to what you find idiotic about the law being applied evenly to people?

When you admit that not all cases of murder are the same.

There is verifiable stupidity, there is luring under the guise of stupidity, etc, etc,.

Applying the same punishment, say to a young adult who was coerced to murder under threat and someone who desired to kill the victim and planned it willfully, is fundamentally unjust.

Also judges most certainly are not capable in the vast majority of cases.

If that's the case, better put on the tin foil hat and become a hermit. No chance in hell for you, right, because judges are "most certainly not capable in the vast majority of cases".

Are you aware of the differences in death penalty cases between people with public defenders and those without?

Does it occur to you that the act of having good representation and not makes a difference in the case narrative?

Once again, Baby, Bathwater.

With mandatory sentences for crimes like murder it makes an egalitarian system that is incapable of making an error like this.

No, it makes a system incapable of handling anything but the most common of cases.

Way to Captain!

You just created an imbalance like mandatory sentencing has done so already!

The law reduced the disparity between the amount of crack cocaine and powder cocaine needed to trigger certain United States federal criminal penalties from a 100:1 weight ratio to an 18:1 weight ratio and eliminated the five-year mandatory minimum sentence for simple possession of crack cocaine, among other provisions.

REF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Sentencing_Act

I mean you want to make this about the guy being gay and be outraged but propose no solutions other than have better judges.

You're a goddamn liar.

Here's what I said (looks like basic reading comprehension is out of your scope!):

Also, why is judicial error like this unpunished or unconfronted?

...
I want additional feedback to resolve these problems.

See.

You're a goddamn moron if you can say with a straight face that I "propose no solutions other than have better judges."

I would posit that it is impossible to have better judges because people are human beings and subject to bias, error, corruption.

I would posit that assholes like you are the reason that we don't implement feedback systems, anti-corruption and anti-bias panels, not set up metastudies that are not paid for by either entities interested in imprisoning (jails, sheriffs assocs) or interested in freeing all prisoners (Amnesty Intnl, etc)...


You're part of the problem inherent in the system.

Complexity is beyond you.

[Creed of Heresy]

As for the OP: See, this is why, whenever someone tells me that European courts are better than American courts, I say "Uh. In what way, exactly?" This is a fucking atrocity against justice. Three years for manslaughter?! FUCK THAT! That's fucking murder in the third degree. What prosecutor accepted that shit??