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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm
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(March 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: (March 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm)Ryantology Wrote: How does one even go from atheism to "actually, the idea that this particular (and no other) invisible magical monster made the universe all by himself for no reason sounds more likely to be true, I think I'll go with that"?
Evidence and Proof
You forgot "and a willingness to ignore both of them in favor of what some illiterate psychopath wrote in a book 1400 years ago". You're welcome.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm)Joel Wrote: [quote='ThatMuslimGuy2' pid='423797' dateline='1364694712']
Yeah never read anything immoral in the Qur'an. Never read Phrophet lot having sex with his daughters. Etc etc How much of the Qur'an have you read?
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: (March 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm)Joel Wrote: [quote='ThatMuslimGuy2' pid='423797' dateline='1364694712']
Yeah never read anything immoral in the Qur'an. Never read Phrophet lot having sex with his daughters. Etc etc How much of the Qur'an have you read?
About 75% of it.
74% was immoral - the other 1% said "Holy Quran"
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm
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(March 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (March 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Evidence and Proof
You forgot "and a willingness to ignore both of them in favor of what some illiterate psychopath wrote in a book 1400 years ago". You're welcome.
I live my life by Evidence proof n logic. I think your assuming anyones who is Muslim doesnt.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm)Joel Wrote: (March 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: How much of the Qur'an have you read?
About 75% of it.
74% was immoral - the other 1% said "Holy Quran"
74%
Please paste me what Surah 30:21 reads Surah 4:29 4:128 Surah 112. Surah 1.
I dont know what Qur'an youve been reading bro.
Sorry Rhythm i wudnt wanna misrepresent there arguments. Nothing made my ears prick up heard both the Muslim and Atheists arguments a thousand times. I used to say alot of what Krauss says
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:04 pm
lol Ryantology, I can't have enough of your signature.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: 74%
Please paste me what Surah 30:21 reads Surah 4:29 4:128 Surah 112. Surah 1.
I dont know what Qur'an youve been reading bro.
I don't even remember many bible verses by their scripture reference and I was a Christian.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: I live my life by Evidence proof n logic. I think your assuming anyones who is Muslim doesnt. Well, I can't speak for Ryan, but I don't have any problem accepting that you're a reasonable person, right up until that reason runs into the brick wall of your faith. It's not as though it's an "always on/always off" scenario or anything.
Quote:Sorry Rhythm i wudnt wanna misrepresent there arguments. Nothing made my ears prick up heard both the Muslim and Atheists arguments a thousand times. I used to say alot of what Krauss says
Meh, I trust you, besides, even if you misrepresented the arguments it would hardly matter. If you were floating something preposterous as an argument for atheism (playing devils advocate) I'd just say..."no, no, can't say I agree with that one".
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:09 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm)Joel Wrote: [quote='ThatMuslimGuy2' pid='423806' dateline='1364695113']
74%
Please paste me what Surah 30:21 reads Surah 4:29 4:128 Surah 112. Surah 1.
I dont know what Qur'an youve been reading bro.
I memorise many ayat of the Quran. Tge Quran means recitation. Its meant to be learnt n memorised. Millions of Muslims can recite every single verse of the Qur'an. Ive memerised all those verses and more. It is Worship to Allah in Islam
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm
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Quote:I memorise many ayat of the Quran. Tge Quran means recitation. Its meant to be learnt n memorised. Millions of Muslims can recite every single verse of the Qur'an. Ive memerised all those verses and more. It is Worship to Allah in Islam
That's a method of brainwashing, you know.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm
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Hamsa argument number 1:
Quote:Islam makes sence of the origins of the universe.
Hamsa argument number 2:
Quote:Islam makes sence of the nature of the quoranic discurse.
1: Quote:"believing in naturalism means that the universe is infinite" "the universe being infinite is irrational because an infinite universe cannot exist in the real world"
followed by alot of bla bla bla bla bla on how infinity is something impossible in what he calls "the real world"
The he appeals to authority be quoting a number of famous people and scientists who say that infinity doesnt exist.
Then he summs up his first argument:
Quote:"An actual infinite cannot exist"
Quote:"An infinite history of past events is an actual infinite, therefor an infinite history of past events cannot exist, therefor the universe is finite and therefor it had a begining"
He then claims to have "astrophysical evidence"
But I already stoped at that point because I could already show how he is wrong without the need of professor Krauss.
Hamsa doe simply not know hoe the universe, or better put: has no idea how relativity, works!!!!
infinite and finite are mesurements of time, time came into existancew with the big bang, time is relative
the beginning of time doesnt mean the beginning of everything.
and to ask what came before time is like asking what is north of the north pole.
Hamsa is a bad boy who didnt listen in physics during highschool
Someone else should now please take Hamsas other "arguments"
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