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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 10, 2013 at 8:31 am
I've never seen any proof of any gods existence, and if memory serves- you've already been given a hilarious example of an error in the quran (re: semen production).
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am
(April 10, 2013 at 8:31 am)Rhythm Wrote: I've never seen any proof of any gods existence, Here is it
God existence
Quote:and if memory serves- you've already been given a hilarious example of an error in the quran (re: semen production).
Where is the error?
What Quran says can be either
Correct
False
Unknown
You think as science didn't discover something then it is wrong!
"Non existence of knowledge is not a knowledge of non-existence"
You need to prove by no doubt that something in the Quran is clearly false
There are many example where Quran brought facts that was never known to humanity at that time
For example God said in Quran that Earth is spherical in shape, at that time people thought it is flat ( but did not prove it) so they would have said that the Quran is wrong because it is saying it is a sphere
You are using the same concept here, what you didn't proof is still subject to be true or false.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 10, 2013 at 8:59 am
(April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (April 10, 2013 at 8:31 am)Rhythm Wrote: I've never seen any proof of any gods existence, Here is it
God existence
If you say so 
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 10, 2013 at 9:00 am
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 10, 2013 at 9:03 am
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2013 at 9:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Here is it
God existence Saw that post MS, while you keep claiming that you have proven god, I don't think that you even began to prove any god. Turtles all the way down.
Quote:Where is the error?
What Quran says can be either
Correct
False
Unknown
You think as science didn't discover something then it is wrong!
"Non existence of knowledge is not a knowledge of non-existence"
You need to prove by no doubt that something in the Quran is clearly false
There are many example where Quran brought facts that was never known to humanity at that time
For example God said in Quran that Earth is spherical in shape, at that time people thought it is flat ( but did not prove it) so they would have said that the Quran is wrong because it is saying it is a sphere
You are using the same concept here, what you didn't proof is still subject to be true or false.
There's nothing undiscovered to discuss about semen production and the verse you were offered. I can't blame the author for fucking it up, they just didn't know. I'm less than interested in what sort of torturous finagling you've done to square it away with the notion that if there were one error in the book it would not be from a god (itself a torturous and laughable notion- an error in a book is just an error in a book, the reason that your book is not "from god" is much simpler).
That the earth was a sphere had been known for a very long time prior to the manufacture of the quran. In fact, the points where the quran gets things right (and the points where the quran gets things wrong) all lay along the line of what was already known to man. "People" didn't think that the earth was flat, "certain people" in this particularly shitty backwater of the world thought that the earth was flat.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 16, 2013 at 4:17 am
(April 10, 2013 at 9:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: That the earth was a sphere had been known for a very long time prior to the manufacture of the quran. In fact, the points where the quran gets things right (and the points where the quran gets things wrong) all lay along the line of what was already known to man. "People" didn't think that the earth was flat, "certain people" in this particularly shitty backwater of the world thought that the earth was flat. How about when God said in the Quran that the Universe is expanding
or telling about exact incidents in the future
If you look to the amount of scientific facts and future prediction in Quran, it cannot be fabricated (specially by Mohamed)
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 16, 2013 at 5:48 am
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(April 16, 2013 at 4:17 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (April 10, 2013 at 9:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: That the earth was a sphere had been known for a very long time prior to the manufacture of the quran. In fact, the points where the quran gets things right (and the points where the quran gets things wrong) all lay along the line of what was already known to man. "People" didn't think that the earth was flat, "certain people" in this particularly shitty backwater of the world thought that the earth was flat. How about when God said in the Quran that the Universe is expanding
or telling about exact incidents in the future
If you look to the amount of scientific facts and future prediction in Quran, it cannot be fabricated (specially by Mohamed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jSq89TMflk
Number 8 of the debunked miracles.
Quote:Sahih International
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
Muhsin Khan
With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof.
Pickthall
We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).
Yusuf Ali
With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
Shakir
And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.
Dr. Ghali
And the heaven (is also a sign). We have built it with (Our) Hands (i.e., Capability) and surely We are indeed extending (it) wide.
Not one of these verses says universe, or skies, they mostly all say heaven, and a lot of them don't even say steadily expanding, they just say it is ample.
You can't be serious and actually be telling me this is a miracle, that no human could say these things.
Just the fact people try and pass these things off as Islamic miracles says a lot about the religion itself.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 16, 2013 at 7:19 am
The best part about these Muslim "miracles" (and I guess it can apply to Christian ones as well with the Bible) is the fact that none of them are brought to light as being miraculous information until after science discovers them.
Muslims point to verses in the Qur'an that claim black holes, pulsars, expanding universe etc.... but where are the people who understood these for what they, supposedly, were before we've discovered them in relatively modern times?
That's not how scientific predictions work.
In science you predict a specific "thing".
If science made a prediction like the Qur'an or Bible, it would say "If the big bang theory is true, we should find stuff in the universe." Fast forward 60 years, we find stuff in the universe so the theory must be true.
Instead, in the 30s they said "If the big bang theory is valid, we should find background microwave radiation." See how specific that is? And at the time we had no way of checking if that were true or not, we didn't have the technology.
Fast forward 60 years, we have telescopes in orbit, we point them into space, and guess what? Lo and behold we find...... background microwave radiation!
You say the Qur'an describes these scientific "miracles"? OK, show me the people who had at least some general understanding of what they "predicted" before we actually discovered them.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 16, 2013 at 11:25 am
(April 10, 2013 at 8:54 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: For example God said in Quran that Earth is spherical in shape, at that time people thought it is flat ( but did not prove it) so they would have said that the Quran is wrong because it is saying it is a sphere
Bullshit on several counts.
Why do you ignore the many instances where the Quran says the Earth is spread out like a carpet?
Care to share with the forum the difference between an oblate spheroid (Earth) and a prolate spheroid (ostrich egg)?
And my favorite....
The Greeks knew the Earth was spherical over a 1000 years before your profit and the word of God hit the scene. In fact, in the third century BCE, Eratosthenes gave a reasonable calculation for the circumference of the Earth. Your God's precision and power of description are severely wanting even by ancient standards.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
April 16, 2013 at 12:24 pm
(April 16, 2013 at 4:17 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: How about when God said in the Quran that the Universe is expanding
or telling about exact incidents in the future
If you look to the amount of scientific facts and future prediction in Quran, it cannot be fabricated (specially by Mohamed)
Translations of the Qu'ran prior to the discovery of the universe's expansion had quite different wording. Until the discovery, the verses were interpreted differently. Even if the Qu'ran was trying to convey that the universe was expanding, it failed in that as Muslims had nothing to say about an expanding universe until Western science discovered that was the case. A prediction that only makes sense in retrospect wasn't really a prediction at all.
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