For the logic impaired...

[festive1]

Waiting for a response... Then I remembered they're all at church XD

[fr0d0]

No we don't fr0d0

You're a million miles, even if like me, it's only a pay cheque away, from 'poor' kitch

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Even *if* it is someone else's body (and not a parasitic nonperson protohuman organ system), if it's there against your will: it is trespassing. Removing it from your property is not murder, even if its only method of survival was by leeching off of you.

Next thing you know, they'll be passing legislation so that I can't eject the homeless from my house. That's about the time when I'll start murdering people.

A lot of ifs there, which are usually allowed by 'pro life'.

We already have that law in the UK.

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So what is the argument that a fetus is part of the women's body? That isn't self evident to me? Where is the evidence that a fetus is part of the mothers body?

Uh.. How about the placenta, umbilical chord and uterus? Without those the fetus would not be able to continue to grow.

I'm sorry I don't see how that's relevant at all.

[KichigaiNeko]

I am talking about when I had NO pay check fr0d0

[festive1]

When a woman becomes pregnant, the placenta develops first of any organs. The placenta produces the hormones that sustain the pregnancy, preventing the woman's body from rejecting the fetus. Without the placenta the woman's immune system would identify the fetus as a foreign body and cause a miscarriage.

[fr0d0]

I am talking about when I had NO pay check fr0d0

So you resisted your nature and held out until better times returned. Generalisations that are true don't also have be absolutes.

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When a woman becomes pregnant, the placenta develops first of any organs. The placenta produces the hormones that sustain the pregnancy, preventing the woman's body from rejecting the fetus. Without the placenta the woman's immune system would identify the fetus as a foreign body and cause a miscarriage.

And how does that even start to address the question of a fetus being part of the mother?

[festive1]

The whole implantation part of pregnancy. It's not the fetus that implants, it's the placenta. And where does it implant? The woman's uterus. It's like building a house on an empty lot, if the owner decides to kick you off their land, and tear down the house you built.

[Angrboda]

I am talking about when I had NO pay check fr0d0

It's not clear what you're arguing about, but the statistics seem clear: the more affluent you are, the fewer children you are likely to have. Germaine Greer argues in Sex & Destiny that the poor use children as a sort of ersatz social welfare system. I'm not sure I would accept it in those terms, but for whatever reason, it appears that poor people have more babies.

[The Grand Nudger]

"Quantity is a different kind of quality"...lol.

[Violet]

A lot of ifs there, which are usually allowed by 'pro life'.

We already have that law in the UK.

Well, it's not trespassing in the case where it's not there without your will behind it It may, however... be a case of harboring of harboring (someone who will be) a murderer. Not a lot of other easily defensible reasons to get an abortion... albeit only because in an ideal world the other points are moot (social safety-nets, adoption, etc).

I'm not affiliated with 'pro life' groups... hence I have to employ liberal use of 'if' if I'm to suspend my personal beliefs to speak on their level and with their understandings. Were I to not express that these are not my beliefs, then people would probably just assume I was some sort of psycho.

And they'd be right, albeit for all the wrong reasons

[Angrboda]

Well, it's not trespassing in the case where it's not there without your will behind it It may, however... be a case of harboring of harboring (someone who will be) a murderer. Not a lot of other easily defensible reasons to get an abortion... albeit only because in an ideal world the other points are moot (social safety-nets, adoption, etc).

I'm not affiliated with 'pro life' groups... hence I have to employ liberal use of 'if' if I'm to suspend my personal beliefs to speak on their level and with their understandings. Were I to not express that these are not my beliefs, then people would probably just assume I was some sort of psycho.

Well, you can probably dispense with the if's then.