For the logic impaired...

[festive1]

Plus! YES!!! A womans interests and rights to selfdetermination should not be limited!!! If the birth of a child shouldnt limit a womans right to self determination, limit what she can achieve or put her into a situation where she is discriminated - then it is for sociaty to change and not for the law to force her to accept that situation no matter what!!!!

This is basically what it boils down to for me. I would love to live in a world where there were no unplanned pregnancies, and abortion was only used in cases of rape or maternal or fetal health. But we aren't there yet.

[fr0d0]

Ah ok that's fine then. (*must remember that for every other being which can't represent itself that gets in the way of my self interests)

How is it in the interest of the unborn child to grow up inpoverty or amongst social standerds which will lead it into criminality or poverty!?


The mothers interests are also the childs interests!


And it is more than just disgusting to see how those who oppose abortion also always oppose social investments which can provide a mother with the basic needs required to raise a child alone or despite coming out of impoverished circumstances.

Plus! YES!!! A womans interests and rights to selfdetermination should not be limited!!! If the birth of a child shouldnt limit a womans right to self determination, limit what she can achieve or put her into a situation where she is discriminated - then it is for sociaty to change and not for the law to force her to accept that situation no matter what!!!!

Yes, extermination is the answer. I can see that clearly now. Thanks for the clarification.

[Autumnlicious]

Ah ok that's fine then. (*must remember that for every other being which can't represent itself that gets in the way of my self interests)

And what if it isn't a being yet?

By virtue of not containing sufficient neurological complexity to carry on coherent patterns.

The argument of when pain receptors have developed as a point to limit is bullshit -- just because you have a component of the hardware doesn't mean the firmware can actually function.

[fr0d0]

If it can't think our feel it isn't a being you mean? It would never have developed into a unique person, and therefore never have the right to be considered an individual?

[Something completely different]

Yes, extermination is the answer. I can see that clearly now. Thanks for the clarification.

Well what is the answere!? To completly criminalise abortion and to thereby force single mums and other women who are incapable of affording a child into misery and thereby also their child?

It seems hypocritical to me to insist on the rights of an unborn 3 month old fetus and to completly accept that this child might have to spend the rest of it`s life in poverty.


But out of interest, let me ask:

Do you support state funded mesures which care for children and make parenting easier?

Do you support contraception?

Do you support sex education?

[KichigaiNeko]

If it can't think our feel it isn't a being you mean? It would never have developed into a unique person, and therefore never have the right to be considered an individual?

Please explain Premature Babies then fr0d0

[festive1]

The argument of when pain receptors have developed as a point to limit is bullshit -- just because you have a component of the hardware doesn't mean the firmware can actually function.

And don't doctors administer anesthetic to the woman during an abortion? I honestly don't know, and Google brings up disturbing sites for me
But contrary to a popularly held belief, the placenta doesn't block drugs from the fetus, it functions more like a sieve. The drugs reach the fetus, it just takes longer.. If the woman is sedated for the procedure, the fetus will be under the effects of those drugs as well.

[pocaracas]

I think it's about time someone posted this vid.

[Autumnlicious]

The argument of when pain receptors have developed as a point to limit is bullshit -- just because you have a component of the hardware doesn't mean the firmware can actually function.

And don't doctors administer anesthetic to the woman during an abortion? I honestly don't know, and Google brings up disturbing sites for me
But contrary to a popularly held belief, the placenta doesn't block drugs from the fetus, it functions more like a sieve. The drugs reach the fetus, it just takes longer.. If the woman is sedated for the procedure, the fetus will be under the effects of those drugs as well.

To be honest, a lot of the anti abortion side even here seems to be under the impression women have abortions like eating ice cream.

Not that the majority of the time they're emotionally devastated by letting a potential child get so far in development.

Anti-abortion twats need to realize that pretty much everyone is in some form "against abortion".

The only difference is that the pro-choice side realizes that, sometimes just sometimes, bringing a child into the world is not financially viable, lacks quality of life, etc.

It is a mark of evil to insist that most cases of pregnancy should be brought to term, as it creates the implicit assumption that most people are at their best supporting network for having children.

A child should not be brought into a world where he/she is unloved or must live a much reduced to unfulfilling life due to health, finances, etc.

Life is a gift, not a burden.

Contraception and abortion grant the ability to sidestep that dilemma

[Kayenneh]

Anti-abortion twats need to realize that pretty much everyone is in some form "against abortion".

I agree with you Moros. For instance, I'm all for abortion, but I would probably never get an abortion if I got pregnant now, even though it would be most inconvenient.