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(April 3, 2013 at 6:44 pm)John V Wrote: Alternatives to abortion? Uh, abstinence, contraception, adoption. Not exactly rocket surgery.
Sure, all good methods, if you are in a relationship or having consensual sex, but what about rape victims, young girls and when the mother's life is in danger?
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
April 3, 2013 at 8:38 pm (This post was last modified: April 3, 2013 at 8:39 pm by Violet.)
(April 3, 2013 at 6:44 pm)John V Wrote: Alternatives to abortion? Uh, abstinence, contraception, adoption. Not exactly rocket surgery.
Alternative to abortion: ROCKET SURGERY!
It puts the baby in the fuel or else it gets the hose again!
(April 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:
(April 3, 2013 at 6:44 pm)John V Wrote: Alternatives to abortion? Uh, abstinence, contraception, adoption. Not exactly rocket surgery.
Sure, all good methods, if you are in a relationship or having consensual sex, but what about rape victims, young girls and when the mother's life is in danger?
TGAC, don't read this... The rest, well, what can I say?
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Instead of justifying my possition on the matter and explain.
I would like to know from the religious folk some things:
Which messures to avoid unwanted pregancies would you aprove off?
Fishing... (with members of the same sex)
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Which messures to prevent single mums from drifting into poverty would you aprove of?
Marry a fisherman, they make good money.
Or wait, they can just get a job.
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Which mesures to prevent teen preagnacies would you aprove of?
Fishing... (with members of the same sex)
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Which messures to avoid parents from drifting into poverty would you aprove of?
Become commercial fisherman, they make good money.
Or wait, they can just get a job.
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Which messures to ensure that a child does not become a burden on the mothers carreer and life would you aprove of?
Teach a child to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Which messures for unwanted preagnancies would you aprove of?
Fishing, of course only with barbless hooks, we gotta give the fetus, shit I mean fish, a sporting chance.
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: And finaly: at which age is it alright to watch a person die or kill a person?
Two part question. I guess it's alright to watch a person die as soon as one can perceive visually. I don't think it's OK to kill a person except to "justly" preserve life, but if that happens, age doesn't matter. So I will find a fish justified in killing a person in defence of it's own life.
(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Instead of justifying my possition on the matter and explain.
I would like to know from the religious folk some things:
Germans you know I like you, but sometimes you piss me off with your obvious sense of superiority.
Quote:Which messures to avoid unwanted pregancies would you aprove off?
Which mesures to prevent teen preagnacies would you aprove of?
My answer to these two questions is the same.
Abstinence. Contraception. Education. Natural Family Planning (women are infertile through ~95% of their menstrual cycle ). Did I miss anything? Anal sex. Oral sex. Watch Sports.
Quote:Which messures to prevent single mums from drifting into poverty would you aprove of?
Which messures to avoid parents from drifting into poverty would you aprove of?
Sell the house. Sell the car. Get a job. Welfare. Social Aid. Church assistance. General charity. Subsidised child care. Etc.
Quote:Which messures to ensure that a child does not become a burden on the mothers carreer and life would you aprove of?
None. Other than adoption at birth. It is not fair on a child for their parents to abandon them. Once a child is adopter the parents do NOT have the right to abandon the child. Here's a .
Quote:Which messures for unwanted preagnancies would you aprove of?
Adoption at birth.
Quote:And finaly: at which age is it alright to watch a person die or kill a person?
Well one friend of mine was 21 or 22 when he killed his mum, does that count? He stabbed her dozens of times - to death. He served 22 months in Belconnen remand centre and was freed - he never saw the inside of a gaol. Here's his picture:
Funny story... I too had a beard that year. Oh and here I am in that same year 6 months before growing my hair and beard:
I suppose, since you didn't ask, you don't want my opinion on abortion.
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April 4, 2013 at 7:25 am (This post was last modified: April 4, 2013 at 7:28 am by John V.)
(April 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: Sure, all good methods, if you are in a relationship or having consensual sex, but what about rape victims, young girls and when the mother's life is in danger?
I say let them have abortions, mainly from a stance of practicality. If we can get it down to this portion of cases that's a big step in the right direction.
(April 3, 2013 at 8:38 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Alternative to abortion: ROCKET SURGERY!
It puts the baby in the fuel or else it gets the hose again!
(April 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: ...but what about rape victims?
The woman who was raped is most certainly a victim.Part of injustice done to the woman includes carrying the child to term, which seems like a better alternative than taking an innocent life. How does following one crime with another that shreds an unborn child's body make any sense?
April 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm (This post was last modified: April 4, 2013 at 4:16 pm by Kayenneh.)
(April 4, 2013 at 2:36 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(April 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: ...but what about rape victims?
The woman who was raped is most certainly a victim.Part of injustice done to the woman includes carrying the child to term, which seems like a better alternative than taking an innocent life. How does following one crime with another that shreds an unborn child's body make any sense?
In this case I'm all for the life that has developed into an (hopefully!) adult individual and so not care much for the cell clump that has the potential to become a human being. Rape is bad enough as it is, a woman should not need to be reminded of it for the next nine months what happened, and carry a rapist genetic material to the next generation. If she wants to keep it I don't mind, it's her choice, but I can never judge a woman who wants to abort a rape pregnancy.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
(April 4, 2013 at 2:36 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The woman who was raped is most certainly a victim.Part of injustice done to the woman includes carrying the child to term, which seems like a better alternative than taking an innocent life. How does following one crime with another that shreds an unborn child's body make any sense?
Continue to fuck over the victim...some system of ethics you have there Chad.
Immediately terminating an unwanted pregnancy after rape could hardly be described as "shredding an unborn child's body".
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