Atheism is not a belief!!

[Gearbreak]

Why are babies always used? They lack a belief in god, but they also lack empathy, intelligence, survival skills and emotional control. Babies are terrible role models. The only thing they get right is atheism and cute.

[Creed of Heresy]

They ring of confusion, and illogical assumptions. Truth is left out.

Your truth is not the truth. What is truth and what is reality have often been two very different things, and we're only just now understanding reality and shrugging off the notion of truth. You need certainty, you need truth, you need absolutes. Well only Sith deal in absolutes, my friend, I've gotta tell ya. I need none of those things. "Why" is irrelevant. I wanna know "How!"

[Godscreated]

@ Mister Agenda, my point was not addressing the heat they were experienced from the sun, it was how hot the sun is, this they could not know, they also are not able to know the sun was actually a ball of gas burning in space. Sorry to all for making my original reply confusing.

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They ring of confusion, and illogical assumptions. Truth is left out.

Your truth is not the truth. What is truth and what is reality have often been two very different things, and we're only just now understanding reality and shrugging off the notion of truth. You need certainty, you need truth, you need absolutes. Well only Sith deal in absolutes, my friend, I've gotta tell ya. I need none of those things. "Why" is irrelevant. I wanna know "How!"

To me both are relevant, having truth, certainty and absolutes is important to live with confidence.

[Creed of Heresy]

What you call "confidence" I call "arrogance," and the dictionary is far more supportive of me, given the fact that it defines arrogance as: "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. " Given how self-righteous and self-important Christians are ("the creator of the universe has time for me personally at any moment of my pitiful little speck of a molecule of an existence and arranges everything just for me!"), it's arrogance you speak of. Not confidence. If it were confidence, there'd be a basis in it, one you could readily and easily demonstrate but get this, bible-thumper: You can't, or you'd have done so by now. But you live by "faith." As in, without any basis do you believe in something wholeheartedly and totally. The very definition of what you consider most important is basically admitting "I have no reason to believe this but I'm a gullible sap so I buy into it wholeheartedly." Why is not relevant when you know how. How, when answered, also answers why, and the answer for why is extremely mundane, always, because that's pretty much what "why" is. Mundane BS we human beings attach to things to try to boost our own egos. Beat your fist against your chest harder and howl louder, monkey; I don't believe you're the biggest ape with the biggest banana yet.

[The Reality Salesman01]

@ Mister Agenda, my point was not addressing the heat they were experienced from the sun, it was how hot the sun is, this they could not know, they also are not able to know the sun was actually a ball of gas burning in space.

We agree on this, and my point stems from it.

The individual attempting to explain the origin of the sun by simply assuming that all things that are hot-are created, has committed the fallacy of composition. If you read on, Jane spots this, and it is one of her reasons for rejecting Bill's claim.

Another example:

1)Lightning is made of electricity
2)Electricity is distributed by the power company
3)Therefore lightning is distributed by the power company


So...were you inadvertently pointing to the illogical assertion made by the theist? Of course not...right?, our secret bro.

They ring of confusion, and illogical assumptions.

No biggie. I understand perfectly well why you are confused and its not necessary for you to explain why. That logic thing is a real ball buster for some of you theists...Tell me the story of the watchmaker again please!!!

If there was no God...

We're going to address these propositions one at a time, because soup sandwich always follows this sentence.

If I were Descartes, "I think therefore I am" would take a back seat to this statement of undeniable truth! I love it.

[Neo-Scholastic]

That is truth and what is reality have often been two very different things, and we're only just now understanding reality and shrugging off the notion of truth.

Wait did you just say that truth and reality have often been two different things? That doesn't even make sense.

[Godscreated]

What you call "confidence" I call "arrogance," and the dictionary is far more supportive of me, given the fact that it defines arrogance as: "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. " Given how self-righteous and self-important Christians are ("the creator of the universe has time for me personally at any moment of my pitiful little speck of a molecule of an existence and arranges everything just for me!"), it's arrogance you speak of. Not confidence. If it were confidence, there'd be a basis in it, one you could readily and easily demonstrate but get this, bible-thumper: You can't, or you'd have done so by now. But you live by "faith." As in, without any basis do you believe in something wholeheartedly and totally. The very definition of what you consider most important is basically admitting "I have no reason to believe this but I'm a gullible sap so I buy into it wholeheartedly." Why is not relevant when you know how. How, when answered, also answers why, and the answer for why is extremely mundane, always, because that's pretty much what "why" is. Mundane BS we human beings attach to things to try to boost our own egos. Beat your fist against your chest harder and howl louder, monkey; I don't believe you're the biggest ape with the biggest banana yet.

Confidence is exactly what I meant, arrogance belongs to those who believe they know better than the rest, this would include atheist, Christians, Hindus, Islamist and ect. I know what's good for me and yes I ask others to give it a try, I do not however try and force it on others. I know many, many Christians that feel the same. I would bet you are judging all Christians by the ones you've come to despise, now that is being arrogant and a bit lazy.
As for faith yes I live a part of my relationship with God in faith, however not the part of knowing He is real, I have no doubts about that part. I do need my faith at times when I ask for God's help, why, because I'm like all other humans and have times of weakness. Believe this, if I did not know absolutely that God is real and what He did for man was real I would not have stayed with this belief, that's not how I am.
There are times on this forum I assert myself and or beliefs, because I get tired of hearing all the garbage spewed my way, I let much of it roll off as Christ has asked Christians to do, but then myself takes over on occasion. You need to get over all Christians being the same we are not, I do not refer to atheist being all the same arrogant dips, I could but I choose not to for one good reason, you're not.

[downbeatplumb]

But does anyone here believe that they are atheists.

I'm using the normal definition if believe - I.e. considering it to be true...

I like most people assume that people believe what they know...

So: do you believe you are atheist?

(Or do you change words' meanings to try to win arguments online?)

I have never believed in god and have seen no reason to start.

I am an atheist simply because i am not a theist.

Do you believe IN aunicornism?

Or do you just not believe in unicorns?

[Godscreated]

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@ Mister Agenda, my point was not addressing the heat they were experienced from the sun, it was how hot the sun is, this they could not know, they also are not able to know the sun was actually a ball of gas burning in space.

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We agree on this, and my point stems from it.

The individual attempting to explain the origin of the sun by simply assuming that all things that are hot-are created, has committed the fallacy of composition. If you read on, Jane spots this, and it is one of her reasons for rejecting Bill's claim.

Another example:

1)Lightning is made of electricity
2)Electricity is distributed by the power company
3)Therefore lightning is distributed by the power company


So...were you inadvertently pointing to the illogical assertion made by the theist? Of course not...right?, our secret bro.

Secret bro, I do not think so. I was saying that neither of them could assert that God existed or did not exist on the fire,sun comparison. Did you not read that I would have sided with Jane if that story were true.

They ring of confusion, and illogical assumptions.

No biggie. I understand perfectly well why you are confused and its not necessary for you to explain why. That logic thing is a real ball buster for some of you theists...Tell me the story of the watchmaker again please!!!

I understand perfectly well that you were using a story to compared to the creation story, and you failed to do so with the illogical assumptions in your story. I have no watchmaker story to tell, unless you want to hear about a good friend of mine who was a watchmaker, he's been dead for sometime now and I miss him in many ways, guess what as far as I know he was never a believer. For me that's sad.

[Dawud]

Why are babies always used? They lack a belief in god, but they also lack empathy, intelligence, survival skills and emotional control. Babies are terrible role models. The only thing they get right is atheism and cute.

There is no evidence in this lack of belief to be fair...