Atheism is not a belief!!

[The Reality Salesman01]

Secret bro, I do not think so. I was saying that neither of them could assert that God existed or did not exist on the fire,sun comparison. Did you not read that I would have sided with Jane if that story were true.

We agree, where we disagree is that other such things which are equally incompatible with logic are used to argue for the existence of a creator. You may think the sun is a bad one, but there are probably countless others you think are good reasons but are equally inadequate at making God seem likely.

Give me an argument you think is logical for God and I'll show you why it's just as dumb as Bill and The Sun.

[Creed of Heresy]

Confidence is exactly what I meant, arrogance belongs to those who believe they know better than the rest, this would include atheist, Christians, Hindus, Islamist and ect. I know what's good for me and yes I ask others to give it a try, I do not however try and force it on others. I know many, many Christians that feel the same. I would bet you are judging all Christians by the ones you've come to despise, now that is being arrogant and a bit lazy.

No, I just have yet to see anything about you or reading anything from you to convince me that you are anything but an arrogant pain in our collective asses. By the way that wouldn't be arrogance, that would be stereotyping. I don't stereotype; I generalize: Generally, all Christians believe in the adult version of Santa Claus.

As for faith yes I live a part of my relationship with God in faith, however not the part of knowing He is real, I have no doubts about that part. I do need my faith at times when I ask for God's help, why, because I'm like all other humans and have times of weakness. Believe this, if I did not know absolutely that God is real and what He did for man was real I would not have stayed with this belief, that's not how I am.

Ok so good things happen to me in my worst moments when I am weakest, and I can easily attribute it to human kindness and not the work of a fictional sky-daddy. The equation works with or without god, ergo god is not necessary. Ockham's Razor deals with this ridiculous half-baked argument from self-assertion so easily that it's not even funny.

There are times on this forum I assert myself and or beliefs, because I get tired of hearing all the garbage spewed my way, I let much of it roll off as Christ has asked Christians to do, but then myself takes over on occasion. You need to get over all Christians being the same we are not, I do not refer to atheist being all the same arrogant dips, I could but I choose not to for one good reason, you're not.

You're a guy who has had it in his signature that all non-believers go to hell and that god somehow beat Fredrich Nietzche because he died. By the w, get this, windbag, EVERYONE DIES. It's this little thing called biology; it's not a very permanent fixture, it has a tendency to be limited. Don't fucking give me this "garbage spewed your way" when your fucking signature is garbage being spewed to everyone who reads your comments regardless what the ACTUAL FUCKING POST WAS.

And garbage spewed your way...pfah, you're a fundamentalist Christian on a forum labeled "ATHEISTForums," who regularly spews his delusions and baseless opinions all over the place. Whatever garbage you're getting tossed your way is just in equal recompense, dude, but I'm sure you're quite self-convinced you can believe no wrong. XD

I do love your admittance to not being capable of doing the simple task Christ asked of you. Supposedly he goes through torture and a three-day-long execution process for humanity but you can't even hold back your own frustration and vile opinions for more than one post, apparently. That's pretty "weak," man, but at least you can admit you're imperfect in that regard, at least, so...yeah, you get some credit for that.

In honesty, I don't view you as a Christian, I just view you as a human being who displays the same characteristics as the rest of humanity does. It's not you I dislike. It's your beliefs. I highly dislike them. I find them insulting and condescending and affronting, regardless whether or not they're expressed in my face. I find people whispering about me and calling me names behind my back, wishing ill upon me, and holding themselves to know better than me based on nothing to be very insulting, affronting, and condescending, even if they don't say it to my face; as long as I am aware of it happening, it's all of those things. And since I am aware of a great number of religions in this world, I therefore am aware of all the insulting shit they say.

ChadWooters: Parse the words a bit. Read between the lines, you'll understand what I was saying, there. If you're still stumped; consider what truth is, and what reality is. Truth is not mutually requiring of reality to people. Reality makes a mockery of what we think is truth virtually every day. Humanity doesn't really know "truth," we just make our own truths, or try to form our own, or discover them. What's true today may not be true tomorrow. If you want an example; it was once "truth" that the sun circled the earth. Reality, it turned out, did not agree. It was once "truth" that the earth was only 5,000 years old. Reality, once again, did not agree. It was truth that there were gods on Mt. Olympus, that Buddha was born from a slit in his mother's side, that casting aside all knowledge for inner peace provides worldly solutions, that Horus and Jesus were born to virgins and came back to life after being dead for three days, that the sun only rose because of blood sacrifices. Reality disagreed the entire time. It's truth to people today that homeopathics are just as if not more effective than standard medical treatments. It's truth to people today that flying saucers have visited our planet. It's truth to people today that using an e-meter will audit Thetans out of your body so you may join the Galactic Confederacy when you leave your human form. It's truth to people that marijuana is as damaging as heroin. Reality, as always, disagrees. Your own manufactured truth will never sit well with reality unless it is of reality itself. Faiths are not of reality. They are of personal truth. And ergo, one day, you will be forced to square with the reality that independent truth does not sit well with universal reality.

Get it now?

[Dawud]

Your personal truth holds that there might be God if you are agnostic - is that corresponding with reality?

Is it true to say there might be God?

[Tonus]

Is it true to say there might be God?

I'm not sure that the phrasing makes sense. "Is it true to say that it might rain tomorrow" is not the same as "is it true that it might rain tomorrow?"

[Neo-Scholastic]

What's true today may not be true tomorrow.

Then it wasn't really true, was it?

Extra Credit: Is atheism true?

[Dragonetti]

What's true today may not be true tomorrow.

Then it wasn't really true, was it?

Extra Credit: Is atheism true?

Well are we in the tomorrow for these Bronze Age Fairy Tales?

[Cato]

Extra Credit: Is atheism true?

Yes, until such time a god, any god, shows himself/herself/itself. Simple as that.

[Dawud]

So there is no God?

Something might be true today and not true tomorrow - E.g. It's my birthday.

But saying there is God entails it is true forever.

Saying there is no God would also have to be true forever.

Not that most atheists here would say there is no such thing as God!

[downbeatplumb]

So there is no God?

Something might be true today and not true tomorrow - E.g. It's my birthday.

But saying there is God entails it is true forever.

Saying there is no God would also have to be true forever.

Not that most atheists here would say there is no such thing as God!

Its not a 50/50 thing.

The chances of there actually being a god are so small because it is such a an unlikely character with impossible characteristics.

It is so unlikely that the chances of it existing are not worth contemplating.

So on the balance of probability, there is no god.

[AtheistPilot]

But does anyone here believe that they are atheists.
I'm using the normal definition if believe - I.e. considering it to be true...
I like most people assume that people believe what they know...
So: do you believe you are atheist?
(Or do you change words' meanings to try to win arguments online?)

I have never believed in god and have seen no reason to start.
I am an atheist simply because i am not a theist.
Do you believe IN aunicornism?
Or do you just not believe in unicorns?

Atheist Pilot -
This topic cracks me up as it always goes on forever on boards.
Logically: Webster's dictionary: the definition is:
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Definition of ATHEIST
: one who believes that there is no deity
— athe·is·tic or athe·is·ti·cal adjective
— athe·is·ti·cal·ly adverb
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I don't believe in unicorns.
I don't believe in the tooth fairy.
I don't believe in any supernatural deity or god.
This has become one of the new aveneus that the theists use to attack thinking it makes them look scientific when it again shows their ignorance of the topics., .

They will try to get you into proving the negative... that there is no god. In no other argument about something this large would it be assumed that the person with the new belief would leave it up to the defense to prove him wrong?

As Dr. Michio Kaku has stated, Extraordinary claims require
Evidence.

Don't get drawn into their arguments of intelligent design, or how precise the weight, charge, distribution, etc of elementary particles. While each one of those statements are facts, they do not prove there is a god or an intelligent creator. Simply put, Atheists don't believe in god. Period. That's; it. If you are going to carry on the discussion, it becomes much more difficult, because their answer is "see how perfect it is... god did it". Where even if you have to have studied elementary particle physics for years, they will not understand a word are saying so it is no win situation. Make them prove their is a creator. Using the bible as a reference is is such a stretch, it is comical to hear their explanations.

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