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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 1:53 pm
If I was going to invent my own god to worship, she'd look like this:
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 2:23 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 1:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: If I was going to invent my own god to worship, she'd look like this:
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Where do I make a sacrifice?
Quote:Its not true, most of todays "christiandom" does not believe in ONE GOD ,
They assert that 3 = 1. Stupid? Of course. But try talking patiently with them about it and they will soon make you blow a gasket.
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 2:29 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 1:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: If I was going to invent my own god to worship, she'd look like this:
![[Image: 150px-Leeann_Tweeden_2.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=upload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8e%2FLeeann_Tweeden_2.jpg%2F150px-Leeann_Tweeden_2.jpg)
Matronly upper arms bespeaks of false god(ess)
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm)TheGoodwillingAtheist Wrote: (April 29, 2013 at 1:21 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote: Let us take a step back for a second and examine the Theistic Christian God. So far this god has these qualities.
1. God has perfect Morals.
2.God has infintite wisdom and knowledge or at least perfect knowledge/wisdom.
3.He is infallible.
4.He is all knowing.
5.All powerful (at least according to us)
6.And is technically everywhere or all emcompassing.
I am sure there are a few I might be missing, however those are the general concepts. Now with all those qualties there is no chance that one could even relate to such a being. In fact no one here can truely understand what perfect means. Once you reach a stage what is perfect you will obviously see improvement somewhere. Now how this relates to the topic, I think it relates simply they create their definition of God which basically they can relate to the best. Since this being unlike a lover, parents or family, or close friends whom you can relate. God who seems to never talk physically, touch physically, or even let you see him physically. Who is also beyond you intellectual understanding, even conceptually beyond you, I feel that in order for the mind to cope with the total lack of emotional and physical connection. Much like (I cannot believe i am admitting this after years of debating against it) an imaginary friend, you create a concept that you can relate to.
For a start I don't believe with this notion of perfect morals. Our morality has been developed over the years. For example, racism used to be socially acceptable and now it isn't and rightly so. Its not like we just gave black people their human rights. They had to fight hard for basic human rights. It is no longer acceptable to burn someone for being a witch as we know that is crazy. Soon in the future I hope that Gay marriage will be allowed and bigots will be called for what they are. Our developing morals allows for positive change in this way. God claiming perfect morality... I'm not so sure. According to the bible he flooded the world killing everyone except for Noah's family and two of every species. A mass genocide of this proportion would be considered evil by any person with a sound mind but when God does it, it's just?
If God has infinite knowledge and wisdom then he could immediately cure cancer and all serious diseases so that children do no need to ever be born into agonising pain from conditions they are born with or develop. By choosing not to do this he is allowing innocent children to needlessly suffer and die when he has the knowledge and wisdom to help them.
He is infallible... Tell that to all the starving children in Africa he fails to help.
All powerful... Well he clearly seems reluctant to use his power for any real purpose if he does have power.
If he is omnipresent then he has to be incompetent as with the ability to be everywhere at once carries the burden of choosing not to help those in dire need and thus taking blame for not helping them.
I don't believe in God but just pointing out the failure in logic around the idea of a personal God.
That was agreeing with ya man. I was expain the possible psychological reason why one would make god in their image. Hence the word imaginary friend metaphor.
I would be a televangelist....but I have too much of a soul.
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 2:36 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 12:58 pm)TheGoodwillingAtheist Wrote: To me God is exactly how he is read in the bible. A psychopathic douche bag that gets pissed off when people start to show him less attention. He constantly needs his ego boosted by worship, so much so that he will cause destruction if he doesn't get enough praise for being "good".
Funny this God you understand.
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 2:29 pm)Chuck Wrote: (April 29, 2013 at 1:53 pm)Tonus Wrote: If I was going to invent my own god to worship, she'd look like this:
![[Image: 150px-Leeann_Tweeden_2.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=upload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8e%2FLeeann_Tweeden_2.jpg%2F150px-Leeann_Tweeden_2.jpg)
Matronly upper arms bespeaks of false god(ess)
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Matronly upper arms are better for cuddling... and we are talking about cuddling for an eternity, right?
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Re: RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 5:18 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Matronly upper arms are better for cuddling... and we are talking about cuddling for an eternity, right? That's not possible. I've tried and failed miserably rolling over to the side. Its not so comfortable after a couple of minutes.
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm
(April 29, 2013 at 5:18 pm)frz Wrote: (April 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Matronly upper arms are better for cuddling... and we are talking about cuddling for an eternity, right? That's not possible. I've tried and failed miserably rolling over to the side. Its not so comfortable after a couple of minutes. you did it wrong!
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2013 at 7:28 pm by Anomalocaris.)
How can "christians" not make up their own gods when no real god seem to exist for its attribute to be nailed down, and are yet said to be so full of inummerable nebulous attributes beyond cataloging? (April 29, 2013 at 5:18 pm)frz Wrote: That's not possible. I've tried and failed miserably rolling over to the side. Its not so comfortable after a couple of minutes.
Evidently you failed the piety test.
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RE: Most so called Christians have invented their own "God" that they worship
April 30, 2013 at 12:05 am
(April 29, 2013 at 12:58 pm)TheGoodwillingAtheist Wrote: Ever wondered why when Christians refer to God he often represents exactly the same values they stand for? Perhaps they have read they whole bible and analysed the Christian/Judeo God to determine what his moral stances are and thus found themselves agreeing with God on everything. This seems very unlikely and may apply to a minority of "wacky" Christians. Rather the God that these Christians claim to worship is one they have invented themselves. They have fine tuned the idea of God given to them by the churches to conform with their own outlook on the world. So you have to ask yourself, is it really the Christian/Judeo God that they are worshiping? Yes, i totally agree! In turn if 'christians' are guilty of this even after dedicating their lives to 'God' imagine how -far off some non-believers are with their version of a God who supposedly does not exist.
Quote:To me God is exactly how he is read in the bible. A psychopathic douche bag that gets pissed off when people start to show him less attention. He constantly needs his ego boosted by worship, so much so that he will cause destruction if he doesn't get enough praise for being "good".
He is not upset for Not praised for being Good, He Gets angery because before Christ some sins deserved death, and there wasn't the buffer between a Righteous God and the sinner.
Quote:It seems to me that many Christians would be better defined as monotheists. Monotheism is defined as, "The doctrine or belief that there is only one God." However there is also an element of polytheism in those Christians that believe in a literal Satan. Polytheism is defined as, "The worship of or belief in more than one god." Certainly the power status of Satan in the bible reflects that of a god so it seems fair to classify him as so. Believing in multiple gods does not require that you worship all of them. This is known as Henotheism which is defined as, "Adherence to one particular god out of several."
Satan is not a God. He is a servant of the one living God. He is completely powerless unless God gives Him the authority to act.(per the book of Job) Hell is not satan's realm it is his eternal punishment.
Quote:If anyone has any thoughts to share about this then feel free to comment what you think. This is something that I have noticed for quite some time and felt it was worth writing about. If only more people would come out as Atheist rather than clinging to this concept of God that is a dead cause.
What of those who simply accept God for what is written?
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