Young as 6 raped by troops in Congo who fled M23

[cratehorus]

Frankly, wherever you're getting your information from, I seriously question it's validity.

ghana is surrounded by war at every border, more likely it will soon see drone strikes rather than some kind of golden age of economic proseperity, guess what there are pretty peaceful regions in afghanistan that haven't seen war themselves where the residents are satisfied with their government but claiming that as a peaceful prosperous region would be dishonest as well

If a news source is getting such basic facts wrong, it calls into question all aspects of their reporting. I have fully disproven everything you've said about Ghana.

you haven't disproven anything all you've said that's worth any notation is that they are not technically in civil war and you are continually using this one teeny tiny country as a way too blame all of africa's problems on itself by saying "see ghana is doing fine" when even they are not

I don't feel like fact checking everything you say about another country.

no one asked you too your diverting this whole conversation too whether ghana is in civil war or not something that took up 1/3 of one sentence in my entire response too you maybe you should fact check too see if it was actually 1/3rd of one sentence ....it might be 5/8ths of the sentence..... and you can spend another 5 responses begging me to admit i was wrong rather than addressing the topic at hand

You are changing the subject to Kenya-without admitting you are wrong about Ghana

already admitted they are not in civil war but your continuing too aviod any reasonable discussion about corporations vs african social governments and inernational exploitaion of the resources of this otherwise peace loving continent... with this nonsense

I don't want to get involved in a discussion with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about and has such obviously bad sources of information.

that's because you will lose this argument has been derailed enough by your craziness either move on to another point in my original response to your comments or admit you were wrong

It's not fun to simply be a fact checker/corrector when I would prefer to have a discussion, which isn't possible with you on this topic.

nobody asked you too you could have simply said ghana is not in civil war and continued too respond instead you've decide too harp on this one issue when it was barey even used to prove my point.... frankly it could been left out my entire response too you.... next time you wish too dodge a question just focus on how my spelling/grammar is..... atleast then your argument would have a hint of validity

Good day to you, sir.

yay i win i win!!!...yet another argument cut short with festive.... over yet another bullshit nonsense reason........ what was it last time? ....you felt i was being rude or some bullshit?....

[festive1]

So much *facedesk*

[cratehorus]

So much *facedesk*

just admit you hate black people already

[festive1]

??? Well that came from left field... Like much of what you say... There's no basis for any of these conclusions you're jumping to. Just making random assertions does not an argument or a discussion make.
ETA: You're clearly flaming...

[Faith No More]

just admit you hate black people already

[cratehorus]

??? Well that came from left field... Like much of what you say... There's no basis for any of these conclusions you're jumping to. Just making random assertions does not an argument or a discussion make.
ETA: You're clearly flaming...

well let's just agree to disagree i think that sub-saharan africa is in such disarray because of european racism and colonialism ............and you think it's because africans just naturally don't get along because well their "africans" and all europe did was try to make them into "real countries" and that was europe's fault for not knowing how savage africans really are........ so atleast we agree europe is at fault

[festive1]

I've never said any such thing. I think colonialism fucked up Africa very much, but there's no reversing time and undoing it. There's only onward and, hopefully, upward. I don't think the ideal is to make the world into Western style democracies. I think the ideal is a form of African democracy for Africa. We can't think copy/paste-ing a completely different culture on top of another will actually work, because it doesn't. Africans have their own cultures, thousands of them. Some of which are compatible with democracy and freedom, and some which aren't. It's not up to Westerners to decide what is best for Africa, it's up to Africans. The West should be helpful and supportive of this process, not expecting miracle changes overnight or forcing change where a society isn't ready for it. I think, the West should help fund and otherwise support the African groups that are trying to enact democratic changes in their countries (and there are many such groups, who, in some cases, operate under great personal threat).

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I get that you're taking my critique that certain groups should never have been put in the same country and blowing it wildly out of proportion and context. This issue is one of the negative effects of colonialism. One cannot simply throw down arbitrary borders and expect them to work without considering the peoples who live there. Ethnic groups that have been at odds since the formation of their societies cannot suddenly be expected to get along simply because of these arbitrary lines. I do think there will be a shattering of current African countries, some regions moreso than others, because of this issue. I hope it can be done peacefully, but judging from the violence seen in other shatter belt regions, like the Balkans, this hope may be unrealistic. In some cases conflict resolution can hopefully work and prevent a splintering of a country. If you take the current problems Africa has, and add to it the turmoil of new countries splitting off, you've got a huge mess. In cases where this can be prevented, it should be. But it's not for Westerners to decide, it's up to the Africans to figure out how to make these situations work, by what is best for them. Western countries can be helpful during this process, but they shouldn't expect their desired result, rather they should help smooth a transition, support whatever the people themselves decide, and support this process being as peaceful as possible.

[cratehorus]

I do think there will be a shattering of current African countries, some regions moreso than others

this is the second time you've said this............... before i respond to the rest of what you said......... may i ask what it is you mean by this statement exactly???

[festive1]

I think there are going to be a bunch of break away countries formed from existing African nations. Like South Sudan recently broke away from Sudan. The northern part of Somalia has effectively broken apart from Somalia. They formed their own country of Somaliland, but it's not been internationally recognized, aside from a few African countries. When talking about Somalia, it's necessary to determine if one is speaking about Hergessa or Mogadishu, they are very different entities. Hergessa being the capital of Somaliland, which does provide a center of central government for Somaliland. Mogadishu the capital of Somalia, which currently has a very weak central government and is in a general state of anarchy.
I think this is the beginning of a trend, and other groups are going to want and attempt to break away from their countries and form their own. Like the shatter-belt region in Europe, the Balkans.

[cratehorus]

I think there are going to be a bunch of break away countries formed from existing African nations. Like South Sudan recently broke away from Sudan. The northern part of Somalia has effectively broken apart from Somalia. They formed their own country of Somaliland, but it's not been internationally recognized, aside from a few African countries. When talking about Somalia, it's necessary to determine if one is speaking about Hergessa or Mogadishu, they are very different entities. Hergessa being the capital of Somaliland, which does provide a center of central government for Somaliland. Mogadishu the capital of Somalia, which currently has a very weak central government and is in a general state of anarchy.
I think this is the beginning of a trend, and other groups are going to want and attempt to break away from their countries and form their own. Like the shatter-belt region in Europe, the Balkans.

can u name anyothers???