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NBC article prayer fails in study.
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NBC article prayer fails in study.
May 15, 2013 at 8:50 am
As if this is a shock to sane people.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12082681/ns/he...ZN_c0rkfW0
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May 15, 2013 at 8:56 am
Mildly interesting, but it's too easy to see how this plays out. Theists will say that this test is not valid for any number of reasons-- you can't put god to the test like this, you can't test the supernatural scientifically, and so on. But if any research showed even a non-significant statistical correlation between prayer and recovery, they'd be all over it as "proof that prayer works!!!"
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RE: NBC article prayer fails in study.
May 15, 2013 at 9:04 am (This post was last modified: May 15, 2013 at 9:05 am by Faith No More.)
(May 15, 2013 at 8:56 am)Tonus Wrote: Mildly interesting, but it's too easy to see how this plays out. Theists will say that this test is not valid for any number of reasons-- you can't put god to the test like this, you can't test the supernatural scientifically, and so on.

How about someone even more righteous was praying that the prayers in the study would not be answered?

It's like I said in the other thread, they will come up with excuse after excuse until the whole thing becomes unfalsifiable.
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RE: NBC article prayer fails in study.
May 15, 2013 at 9:08 am
This just in, prayer fails in study - just like last time........and the time before that....and, well, since "prayer".
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May 15, 2013 at 10:38 am
They could pray to a rock, or Mickey Mouse or pocket lint and it still amounts to pretending.
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May 15, 2013 at 11:17 am
(May 15, 2013 at 8:56 am)Tonus Wrote: Mildly interesting, but it's too easy to see how this plays out. Theists will say that this test is not valid for any number of reasons-- you can't put god to the test like this, you can't test the supernatural scientifically, and so on. But if any research showed even a non-significant statistical correlation between prayer and recovery, they'd be all over it as "proof that prayer works!!!"

Correct. Part of being a shithead theist is ignoring anything that tells you that you are in fact a shithead.
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RE: NBC article prayer fails in study.
May 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm
And in other news...
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RE: NBC article prayer fails in study.
May 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm
(May 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: And in other news...

Yea I agree, but there are lots of people who still think it is credible and I would rather put up the good fight and be vigil about it, than give up. Human progress is never made by accepting social norms, otherwise our species never would have left the caves.
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