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RE: How the Christian god failed?
May 29, 2013 at 8:24 am
(May 28, 2013 at 3:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: According to Christians
Jesus died on the cross so God can forgive people sins!
Did he do that?
Before the Crucifixion , God will Condemn bad people and reward good ones
After the Crucifixion , God will:
Forgive people who believed in the Crucifixion and condemn all others
So by doing that, God just made it worth!
He will condemn a lot of people based on a silly, ridiculous, non-sens event that there is no way to prove it.
You could have a billion people stand around claiming the sun won't rise tomorrow. It doesn't make the sun a fail when it does.
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
May 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(May 29, 2013 at 1:49 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: under any (man made) system we have punishments and rewards.
What, like heaven and hell you mean? (I agree that's man-made, however.)
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
May 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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(May 29, 2013 at 2:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I mean for example education, sports, politics, traffic, social, military, etc.
We set rules then punish who violates and reward who follows them.
Why do you think that God system is irrational if it is similar to all our systems.
Because we are not perfect, all-powerful gods. Our systems are designed to make the most of our imperfections and limitations, and they rarely do even that well. If a god's system is similar to ours, it betrays the fiction that it is a perfect, all-knowing and all-powerful god. If a god's system resembles what most of civilization discarded centuries ago as insufficient and brutal, it tells the truth about the god: it is a fictional artifact of a more primitive human race.
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
May 30, 2013 at 8:06 am
(May 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (May 29, 2013 at 2:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I mean for example education, sports, politics, traffic, social, military, etc.
We set rules then punish who violates and reward who follows them.
Why do you think that God system is irrational if it is similar to all our systems.
Because we are not perfect, all-powerful gods. Our systems are designed to make the most of our imperfections and limitations, and they rarely do even that well. If a god's system is similar to ours, it betrays the fiction that it is a perfect, all-knowing and all-powerful god. If a god's system resembles what most of civilization discarded centuries ago as insufficient and brutal, it tells the truth about the god: it is a fictional artifact of a more primitive human race. Yes God system is perfect (i.e. Justice) but you are looking only to the life part, complete justice will be done in the hereafter.
God system just need to be consistent (from our point of view)
because we cannot understand How and why God do things.
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
May 30, 2013 at 9:36 am
(May 30, 2013 at 8:06 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: (May 29, 2013 at 3:57 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Because we are not perfect, all-powerful gods. Our systems are designed to make the most of our imperfections and limitations, and they rarely do even that well. If a god's system is similar to ours, it betrays the fiction that it is a perfect, all-knowing and all-powerful god. If a god's system resembles what most of civilization discarded centuries ago as insufficient and brutal, it tells the truth about the god: it is a fictional artifact of a more primitive human race. Yes God system is perfect (i.e. Justice) but you are looking only to the life part, complete justice will be done in the hereafter.
God system just need to be consistent (from our point of view)
because we cannot understand How and why God do things.
that's right. The Koran should not be used to dictate laws. Only to help guide us to be nicer to others. To state "consistent" from human's point of view is what leads me away from the Koran. Not that it is an evil book, just that in the wrong hands, here literal Muslims, it is a deadly tool to aid in the destruction of love and compassion. Which is totally consistent with humans today.
We are just trying to consistently change that behavior. This Killing others in the name of our god. Flat out "evil" in pushing that off as "real" and "logical" god.
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
June 1, 2013 at 6:09 am
(May 30, 2013 at 9:36 am)archangle Wrote: that's right. The Koran should not be used to dictate laws. Only to help guide us to be nicer to others. To state "consistent" from human's point of view is what leads me away from the Koran. Not that it is an evil book, just that in the wrong hands, here literal Muslims, it is a deadly tool to aid in the destruction of love and compassion. Which is totally consistent with humans today.
We are just trying to consistently change that behavior. This Killing others in the name of our god. Flat out "evil" in pushing that off as "real" and "logical" god. Wrong!
The Quran fits all people at any time,
Being good to each other seems to be nice, but It isn't!
It contradicts with the concept of good and bad.
The Islam message is very clear and precise
Embrace Islam Islam or you will get punished; in this life by Muslims or in the hereafter by God.
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
June 1, 2013 at 6:23 am
(June 1, 2013 at 6:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Wrong!
The Quran fits all people at any time,
Yep, to marry a 6 year old child as an adult is legit today.
Book of Al-Baqara, verse 193 (Sura 2:193) – “Fight them {unbelievers} on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”
Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 ( Sura 9:123) – “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”
2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
Sura 4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and KILL THEM wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them.
I read your book, it is a vial piece of shit, only usefull for research on medieval life on the arab peninsular.
To inforce it`s laws into modernity is to inforce medieval barbarism
Quote:Being good to each other seems to be nice, but It isn't!
It contradicts with the concept of good and bad.
No it doesnt, it simply lets evil preveil, learn the meaning of the word contradict.
And the world is far to complex to be categorised in such oversimplicistic terms.
Quote:The Islam message is very clear and precise
Embrace Islam Islam or you will get punished; in this life by Muslims or in the hereafter by God.
I really hope, that you are being surveiled by your local security forces, I really really really hope that. Because you are definatly a threat to the wellbeing of your surroundings.
Other than that, there is nothing else to say, other that you are a fascist and therefor deserve to be treated as such.
Oh yeah, since I was gone, have you finaly learned to understand what genders are?!
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
June 1, 2013 at 7:20 am
(June 1, 2013 at 6:23 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: No it doesnt, it simply lets evil preveil, learn the meaning of the word contradict.
And the world is far to complex to be categorised in such oversimplicistic terms. you are using circular logic
Islam is evil, Islam forces itself, it is wrong, so Islam is Evil
Quote:Quote:The Islam message is very clear and precise
Embrace Islam Islam or you will get punished; in this life by Muslims or in the hereafter by God.
I really hope, that you are being surveiled by your local security forces, I really really really hope that. Because you are definatly a threat to the wellbeing of your surroundings.
Punishment here doesn't mean killing civilians or forcing you into Islam, it means forcing you to follow Islamic rules
Your feelings and rejection to Islam is what God wants from you.
Either you accept Islam or reject it badly that you are ready to fight against it, then it will be a test for Muslim to fight against people like you and have the opportunity to die in war and become martyrs
( you know with the 72 virgins and so..............)
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
June 1, 2013 at 8:11 am
(May 28, 2013 at 3:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: According to Christians
Jesus died on the cross so God can forgive people sins!
Did he do that?
Before the Crucifixion , God will Condemn bad people and reward good ones
After the Crucifixion , God will:
Forgive people who believed in the Crucifixion and condemn all others
So by doing that, God just made it worth!
He will condemn a lot of people based on a silly, ridiculous, non-sens event that there is no way to prove it.
All arguments for god(s) fail the bullshit test because belief in said god(s) depends on faith, and faith is, after all, a belief in something not in evidence.
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RE: How the Christian god failed?
June 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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(June 1, 2013 at 6:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: The Islam message is very clear and precise
Embrace Islam Islam or you will get punished; in this life by Muslims or in the hereafter by God. Indeed, the "faithful" were apparently in doubt as to whether or not this whole thing would get sorted by their god - so they took it upon themselves to handle shit. Can't say I blame them, I wouldn't trust their god to get anything done either.
Now about that apocalypse thing.......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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