Yet another Catholic abuse scandal...

[KichigaiNeko]

Quite frankly Esquilax, Pell is instrumental in bringing down the cataholic churches reputation (for all that he has strived to cover up any "wrong doings")

Can't wait until the government revokes their tax-free status.

[Godscreated]

Personally I do not care what you think or think you can prove, I've given evidence from more than one source, reliable sources, yet you ignore them. I know why because your main concern is running down Christians, my info covered all children, you singled out the church, that makes you bigoted against anything a Christian has to say or suggest.

Speaking of ignoring things, I pointed out something rather important you're missing a few pages back: Even the priests who weren't pedophiles were involved in an organized cover up to keep the offenders from ever facing justice. You're playing this off like christianity had no part in this, when it's a documented fact that in these cases the good name of the church was placed above the welfare of the children. Singling out the church is necessary when the church consistently singles itself out as above the law.

Also, I love that since someone disagrees with you, they must be bigoted against your religion. That's hilarious.

I have stated that the Catholic Church is responsible and needs to become responsible for the action of the priest. I stated on other post my disgust with the church not being responsible. You can't blame Christianity for this, these kind of actions are not taught in Christianity. I do not know that one should single out the church, the leadership that's responsible yes definitely, the church should single them out through excommunication and making sure they go to trial.
When one points only at the church about this situation, especially with reliable info given to show this problem is much greater outside the church, then I see that bigoted is what it should be called. I hate pedophilia, for me it is one of the most evil things mankind has ever done to it's own self.

Married couples are known to be more responsible people, there is a great deal to say for stable marriages whether there in the church or not.

Is that true, though? I mean, anecdotal evidence aside (and I could give you a doozy of a counter example, if I had to) is there really a rational basis for saying this? Especially in response to the conversation you're actually having? Like it or not, religion does tend to convince people of a lot of wrong things under the guise of them being morally good; once again, even the priests not directly involved in the acts tended to cover it up, or at least remain silent on it.

Soon you should be finding out for yourself if being married makes one more responsible, I would think your future wife would hope so, as a team you have more to be responsible for. You are no longer you, you in fact are a partnership, which necessarily means to be more responsible for the value of this partnership.
Those priest who covered-up this evil were not married obviously, if they had been then they would have a spouse and/or family to consider in their decisions, to embarrass ones family through a crime is in itself an action of evil. Thus the chance of more responsible priest.

The church is a house of god, GC: what's more "responsible" than defending that?

(For the record, I know that argument is a shitty one: that's not the point, if you feel like attacking me for it rather than the content of my actual argument.)

Then why bring it up, the church is a body of people like minded with Christ, this being said the responsibility of the church is to bring out this evil, excommunicate those responsible and see to it they go to trial. This is the responsibility of the church to keep it clean before all people, there are to be no secrets within the church. To defend the church is not to hide but to deal with problems openly and immediately. This is not an attack, only saying what the church is to do.

If you can not accept the truth about married couples and the info from the sources I used then we're done here. Children are more important than some petty argument.

Tell that to the church.

They know what's right, why they did not come out in the first place is beyond me. Christ said, "you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free." I know this is used with the message of salvation, but as most things Christ said there are many applications and if the truth was told about this situation from the get go, that very truth would have freed the church of guilt, instead it buried itself in guilt, go figure I can't. Christ is punishing the leadership of the Catholic Church for their deception.

[Mystical]

How oh how did I miss this thread?! You tell em, baby. Godschild, I agree with you. Gabriel, you're a brown nosing bigot bastard like usual. Tax free statuses for churches is ridiculous, at the very most a tax deduction for charity expenses is appropriate. Also, if the statistics of pedophilia cpverups in the church is any indication of those abroad: most of us have been molested or raped. Since its one of the biggest shhhh issues in society, maybe we need to change how we respond to such nonsense. Calling police on your own family member..is hard. Especially if that person is your families main supporter. Or how about close family friends and relatives? Cato is right, even married couples withstand pedophilia in their relationships. If it were me, I'd revamp the entire Foster care system and prevent abuse there, first. That way kids do have somewhere to go when they come forward about their abuse. Right now home with a pedophile is better than Foster care. Deploreable. What happened to good old security cameras? Why are those not implemented in churches?

[festive1]

Wouldn't the priest know where the security cameras were and simply avoid them? I've heard of some priests using confessionals during the abuse as well, since that is a confidential exchange, video cameras would be illegal.
We do need better support for abuse victims (sexual and otherwise). Many abuse victims are threatened with their personal safety or with the safety of their loved ones if they tell about the abuse, and abusers are often authority figures (a parent, relative, or other person in charge of a younger victim, such as a priest, babysitter, or teacher). The rarest sexual abuser is a random individual who doesn't know the child or family. These abusers are often known to the parents, not as abusers, but the parents entrust the care of their children to them.
I think prevention/detection of sexual abuse starts with teaching a child that their bodies are theirs alone. That no one, no matter who they are, is allowed to touch a child in a way that makes the child feel uncomfortable. Children need to be taught that when someone, even authority figures, threaten them or their loved ones, that means they need to tell a trusted adult.
I've also heard several stories from abuse survivors that entail the victim telling a parent, only to have the parent claim the child is lying or even justifying the actions of the abuser. This often compounds the trauma of abuse.
Some parents simply don't know what to do if their child tells them or they suspect their child is being abused. Better education about resources available would be a good starting place on that front.

[Mystical]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/us/pen...elief&_r=0

Well, you shared one of yours, now look at mine

[festive1]

There's always another one of these, isn't there? Sad

[Mystical]

Yeah I just ran into this in the news threads. I wasn't even looking for it. I cringe to think about what will come up if I did actively search for it. Funny though, don't see these on the news.