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What Are Miracles...
#31
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: A miracle, to me, is the definition of something good, but completely unexpected, occurring. There is no deeper level past that.

And honest, unemotional answer! Thank you!
Quis ut Deus?
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#32
RE: What Are Miracles...
Quote:"After eating worms covered in feces, I scratch my balls, which smeel revolting, with a glowing hot iron rod."

Mustafa Blöblüblä - Seventh King of Mars.


Quotes are irrelevant, they have no substance to them, they are simply a pathetic appeal to authoritie when used in a debate.
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#33
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Consilius Wrote: Mothers survive cancer…teenagers get off drugs…kidnapped children are recovered.
While these can be explained away without saying "God did this", sometimes we have to realize that there is an ultimate good that works through nature and through the people in our lives.

So I'm assuming the ultimate good never got to work with the mothers that die from cancer, the kids that die from drug overdoses, and the murdered kidnapped children?
ronedee Wrote:Science doesn't have a good explaination for water

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#34
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm)cato123 Wrote: Einstein also said this:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Although Einstein emphatically rejected conventional religion, he was affronted when his views were appropriated by atheists, whose lack of humility he found offensive, and once wrote. "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."

Einstein was an intensely spiritual man and wrote extensively on the subject, perceiving a universe suffused with spirituality, while rejecting organized religion. In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work. In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory....

http://www.barefootsworld.net/einsteinnote.html
Quis ut Deus?
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#35
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Consilius Wrote: Mothers survive cancer…teenagers get off drugs…kidnapped children are recovered.
While these can be explained away without saying "God did this", sometimes we have to realize that there is an ultimate good that works through nature and through the people in our lives.

Oh, and by the way, how dare you take away the work of those that helped the mother survive cancer, the will of the teenager to get off drugs, and the stunning dedication and work of those that recovered the kidnapped child and hand it off to your non-existent god.

Why does it pain you so to give credit where credit is due?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
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#36
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 3:41 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Ah,... the miracles..
Water is wet!
The sky is blue!
And, if the cops weren't here, I'd spit in your face!

Why? Because you hate me? If you were standing in front of me, looking up...I think you would feel differently.
LOL... I see you missed the quote...

Ah, damn... I mixed it up...

.The sky is blue, water is wet, women have secrets.

.Fuck you, Sarah. If the cops weren't here, I'd spit in your face.

By Bruce Willis in The Last Boy Scout
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#37
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:47 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 3:44 pm)ronedee Wrote: There is no reason for knowledge and and religion to be separated. Ask Albert!

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

Quote mining.

This quote does not indecate that science and religion should not be seperated!

Other than that, the two cannot be connected because one is something personal, the other is not.
Adding to that, religion often stands in the way of scientific progress.

There is no need to separate religion and science, because science is simply finding out more about the world God created and the way it works. It is a false division.
Religion has nothing to defend in front of science, because science is just a testimony to religion. Science investigates the laws functioning on the universe as instituted by God.
Fundamentalist belief that the world is 10000 years old, yes, is harmful to science, because it pins the Bible against observable fact. The Bible is merely a creation which has a part in the created universe.
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#38
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Consilius Wrote: ...because it pins the Bible against observable fact.

I can see how Christians would want to avoid that.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#39
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm)ronedee Wrote: Although Einstein emphatically rejected conventional religion, he was affronted when his views were appropriated by atheists, whose lack of humility he found offensive, and once wrote. "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."

Einstein was an intensely spiritual man and wrote extensively on the subject, perceiving a universe suffused with spirituality, while rejecting organized religion. In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work. In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory....

http://www.barefootsworld.net/einsteinnote.html

Good thing I didn't claim Einstein was an atheist.
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#40
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 3:09 pm)ronedee Wrote: So, I'll lie?

No, you might be very sincere that you believe you have experienced miracles. But that does not mean they were miracles.

1000's of people are very sincere that they are abducted by aliens. Doesn't mean they are lying, but it also doesn't mean they actually were abducted.


Quote:Hmmmmm....I thought people would at least be curious.

Nope. The human mind is known to misinterpret what it experiences, remember things that didn't happen, etc.

Your personal experiences are not interesting.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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