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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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(June 3, 2013 at 2:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I could. But I see little to be gained from one more ride on that particular merry go round. To me, you are simply stubborn. I've seen you blank logic. I'm not interested in giving you the credence of entertaining your particular insanity. Could you? I'm skeptical. Non sequiturs remain incoherent.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:26 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 2:01 pm)John V Wrote: (June 3, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Rationalman Wrote: This is part of the research. And it doesn't matter where any argument comes from so long as it's relevant. This is a cogent argument, there are no lies here. It is very true that Christians choose to follow the nice parts of the bible but ignore bad things such as slavery: who you can own, how you should treat them, how much you can buy and sell them for. The bible tells you these things yet you don't see Christians with slaves, this means that they have ignored this. It's crappy research and/or reasoning. While the Bible regulates slavery, it does not mandate slavery, and it tells Christians to obey the secular authorities. So, the fact that you don't see Christians with slaves in no way means Christians are ignoring the Bible.
Oh so, if it wasn't against the law, you would own slaves would you?
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:40 pm
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(June 3, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Rationalman Wrote: This is part of the research. And it doesn't matter where any argument comes from so long as it's relevant. This is a cogent argument, there are no lies here. It is very true that Christians choose to follow the nice parts of the bible but ignore bad things such as slavery: who you can own, how you should treat them, how much you can buy and sell them for. The bible tells you these things yet you don't see Christians with slaves, this means that they have ignored this.
For regulations to apply, the institution of slavery has to already be in place. The Bible condemns steps to introduce slavery:
1 Timothy 1:9-10
"We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine."
Exodus 21:16
“Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."
As far as owning slaves in a slave-legal state, Christians would need to keep in mind the advice of Col. 4:1, Eph. 6:9 and Mark 12:31. If we cannot love our slaves as we do our own bodies, we should not have them.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Watch how many atheists display their cherry-picking skills, watch... 
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm
My history teacher used to say "You can find evidence to support any idea, no matter how stupid." She let us make crazy essays and if we could support it with even iffy sources, we'd get a good grade. Same is true of the Bible. You can choose to believe anything and find a way to cherry pick or twist words out of context from the Bible to back up your claim. That's why there are so many different versions of Christianity. When all these different interpretations just start to sound like insanity people just throw out the word "faith" like it's the answer for everything. It's there answer for everything really. Like the old saying, "If you're losing an argument, just insult the other persons grammar." With Christians it's "The answer to every question and argument is the word faith."
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 3:28 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Undeceived Wrote: For regulations to apply, the institution of slavery has to already be in place. The Bible condemns steps to introduce slavery:
1 Timothy 1:9-10
"We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine."
Exodus 21:16
“Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."
As far as owning slaves in a slave-legal state, Christians would need to keep in mind the advice of Col. 4:1, Eph. 6:9 and Mark 12:31. If we cannot love our slaves as we do our own bodies, we should not have them.
Your bible contradicts itself:
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 3:39 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 2:44 pm)catfish Wrote: Watch how many atheists display their cherry-picking skills, watch...
Aren't you the one that is always saying cherry-picking is okay?
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 3:39 pm
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(June 3, 2013 at 2:26 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Oh so, if it wasn't against the law, you would own slaves would you? LOL - an appeal to emotion from self-named Rationalman. Too funny.
(June 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm)meak Wrote: My history teacher used to say "You can find evidence to support any idea, no matter how stupid." She let us make crazy essays and if we could support it with even iffy sources, we'd get a good grade. Same is true of the Bible. You can choose to believe anything and find a way to cherry pick or twist words out of context from the Bible to back up your claim. That's why there are so many different versions of Christianity. When all these different interpretations just start to sound like insanity people just throw out the word "faith" like it's the answer for everything. It's there answer for everything really. Like the old saying, "If you're losing an argument, just insult the other persons grammar." With Christians it's "The answer to every question and argument is the word faith." Hmmm...haven't seen the Christians falling back on faith in this thread.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 4:20 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 3:39 pm)John V Wrote: (June 3, 2013 at 2:26 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Oh so, if it wasn't against the law, you would own slaves would you? LOL - an appeal to emotion from self-named Rationalman. Too funny.
(June 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm)meak Wrote: My history teacher used to say "You can find evidence to support any idea, no matter how stupid." She let us make crazy essays and if we could support it with even iffy sources, we'd get a good grade. Same is true of the Bible. You can choose to believe anything and find a way to cherry pick or twist words out of context from the Bible to back up your claim. That's why there are so many different versions of Christianity. When all these different interpretations just start to sound like insanity people just throw out the word "faith" like it's the answer for everything. It's there answer for everything really. Like the old saying, "If you're losing an argument, just insult the other persons grammar." With Christians it's "The answer to every question and argument is the word faith." Hmmm...haven't seen the Christians falling back on faith in this thread.
Only because the questions are light and you can find some reference for it. Just a fun exercise: Try explaining these questions without saying the words "Gods Plan" or "Faith"...
-Why did Jesus never write anything?
-Why do bad things happen to good people who are super-religious?
-How old was Mary when she had Jesus?
-If human's were made in God's image, then does God have any of the following: nose, teeth, lungs, nipples, penis? And what would he use them for? What color is his skin?
-Do the mentally ill have free will and why did God make them that way?
-Why was not a single mention or word EVER written about Jesus by anyone who was alive at any time during Jesus' supposed life-time?
-Why does God like some people in Oklahoma and not others?
Another issue I have with many in the church is their inability to just say "I don't know." God obviously didn't explain everything but some people act like they have all the answers.
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RE: Christianity and morals
June 3, 2013 at 4:32 pm
(June 3, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Undeceived Wrote: If we cannot love our slaves as we do our own bodies, we should not have them.
If you do love your slaves as you do your own body, you'd free them. Right? RIGHT???
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