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I sometimes doubt my countries sanity.
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 (September 17, 2009 at 4:30 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Shirts cover nipples! and on Nipplonia (My homeworld) it is the height of disrespect to cover those holy body parts. On Nipplonia there is a shirt tax of no less than 40 zargs! Ok, you could pay in zengies but, who has any of those anymore? amirite? Do people with large nipples have to pay more taxes than those with small nipples? Some people have nipples that are as big around as a frisby. 
Dlf,
Only if they cover them! It is a shirt tax; we on Nipplonia like nipples. Oh, and you are racist. It is never ok to take observations from a small sample and apply it to the population you take your sample from; this is just basic stats really. You need to get out more and find the spectrum of existence instead of the inwards/outwards, backwards/forwards, bottom to the top world you seem to live in. Trust me you can escape that caucus race and find the middle of the gaussian curve that we all fall under. Look out for the Mome Raths! Islam is mostly harmless. It is the vocal minority that makes them look so damn violent. Random anecdote that prooves nothing: I work with an Indonesian Muslim and she is quite pleasent. I tried to date her (I didn't know until date one so...) and found out she is waiting for her mom to find her a man although she told me that she could maybe find her own man if her mother approved. Sheesh! she is 29 and still not married! If I were her I would be so pissed at my parents! Rhizo  (September 16, 2009 at 11:10 pm)Dotard Wrote: So Evie is a censorist now? Censor what he doesn't like? My mistake, Like Adrian I was thinking more of the Burka. I do indeed think all religions, (and every other belief system for that matter) should have a chance to defend themselves. Religion so far has no support for its claims - it's delusional claims - and they also quite often do a lot of harm (at least potentially). I think religion has got a lot to pay for - in a non-violent way of course. I fully support the 'conversational intolerance' that Sam Harris advocates. I think there should be no censorship of this scarf, but I do still advocate (conversational) intolerance of the religion overall, and any religion due to it's delusional beliefs that in any other case - if it weren't regarded 'holy' to so many - wouldn't be 'respected'. leo-rcc Wrote:You were talking about are shirts being secular (they are not, there is nothing about a political system in the shirts)I thought secular=separate from religion? That's what Wikipedia says. And atheism is absence of religion. It is not a belief system and it isn't advertising deluded beliefs therefore, that's what I meant by false advertising. Quote:but yet you would agree with a tax a government would impose on a specific religion.I disagree that that would be hypocritical. Because advertising a position of nonbelief, and advertising deluded and potentially dangerous beliefs isn't exactly the same. I do think that advertising a non-belief stance on religion and advertising unsupported religious beliefs - that cause a lot of harm in the world - is not 100% equal. I do think all religions should be given a chance to defend themselves, as with other belief systems. But when they fail to defend themselves, and they are so ridiculous, I think they should be ridiculed - just like with other belief systems that fail to substantiate themselves but that are non-religious. But to be very clear I am not against taxing the headscarf now though, because as I said, I was thinking more of the Burka before. My mistake. Leo Wrote:Prove it, show me where it represents injustice on the women that wears a hijab.I concede that point, I, Like Adrian, was thinking more of the Burka, or perhaps wrongly making the assumption that it was analogous to it and also forced on women. EvF  (September 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: They don't need to wear it at all - their religion just says so. And shame on their religion I say.They don't need to follow their religion either, but they choose to, and that's a fundamental human right. The fact of the matter is that this law is a blatant act of discrimination against a very specific religious population. Whether or not you're for or against religion, you have to concede that people deserve the right to think as they please, and if it's not hurting anyone, using government coercion to regulate religious rituals is abhorrent.
- Meatball
As a matter of public policy I am against limiting freedom even if that freedom allows people to where shirts that say "turn or burn" or any other statement I might find offensive or just annoying.
What about KKK robes? If there was a tax on wearing klan outfits, would anyone have a problem with that? I have to admit that personally I wouldn't but socially I would have to vote against any policy that would target KKK members even though they have such a hate filled past. Rhizo  (September 17, 2009 at 5:49 pm)Meatball Wrote:(September 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: They don't need to wear it at all - their religion just says so. And shame on their religion I say.They don't need to follow their religion either, but they choose to, and that's a fundamental human right. More than that... it is a fundamental right of life... not human life alone. Though I really don't think the indoctrinated have had much choice in this matter... Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
 (September 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm)dry land fish Wrote:(September 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm)Giff Wrote: I don't know if you are serious or not. Yes, its called being a bigot.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you 
(September 17, 2009 at 6:02 pm)Saerules Wrote: More than that... it is a fundamental right of life... not human life alone.Sure, why not... If a squirrel or a pine tree wants to wear a burqa, who am I to say otherwise?
- Meatball
RE: I sometimes doubt my countries sanity.
September 17, 2009 at 7:01 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2009 at 7:05 pm by dry land fish.)
So what if I am a bigot toward them? How many Americans have they killed? How many would they like to kill? They should have just dropped a bomb on the entire middle east so we could have been rid of those people forever and saved American lives in a stupid war. Screw trying to help them. Let them rot in their own feces infested streets because they are too stupid over there to figure out how to run their own countries without killing eachother. They are a annoyance to the entire world. If they want to fight their stupid holy war with eachother and kill eachother then more power to them. Instead they have came over into other countries like little cock roaches trying to spread their Muslim BS religion and they don't care about any of you. They don't care about your kids or your future kids. They just want you to convert to their retarded religion or die. Even the "peaceful" ones think that but they are too smart to actually try to do it. They don't want to end up sitting in a cell naked with a sand bag over their head while some American GI holds the barrell of a gun to their balls. I don't feel sorry for them and screw their rights. They don't deserve them.
(September 17, 2009 at 5:49 pm)Meatball Wrote: you have to concede that people deserve the right to think as they please, and if it's not hurting anyone, using government coercion to regulate religious rituals is abhorrent. I have edited my post now, I was mistakenly thinking of the burka. So I concede my point on taxing the headscarf. |
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