Seen Today at Local Pool

[Doubting Thomas]

Pools here are filled with discusting unemployed, uneducated drunk morons with their breed of 5 children which allow them to get drunk on wellfair benefits.

You sound like you joined the Republican Party.

[Rahul]

Errr, well I'm from Kuwait and while the situation in Saudi Arabia is quite desperate, the above statement is full of bullshit. I'm sure there is homosexuality, maybe even more than average, but to claim it is common is ridiculous.

I wouldn't know. That's just what he told me. *shrugs*

[Kim]

Was your sister raised Muslim? I'm guessing yes, as you say you are from Kuwait. How is that anything other than conforming to a cultural norm? Where is the choice in wearing a full body coverup, when failure to do so leads to being rejected or being thought of and treated as unfaithful to the belief system? And the judging of other women, including Muslim women, who do not cover themselves fully... Believing oneself better or more pious, I don't know, it seems like martyrdom.

Yes we were all raised in a very conservative environment. Yet I turned atheist and she is a very devout Muslim. My other sister is also Muslim but doesn't wear "nikab" but rather wears the head scarf. She has complete freedom to remove it (no one is forcing her now), but she wants to conform to what everyone is expecting. It is more of a social pressure than anything else I believe for most cases. The point I want to make is that in some cases, and they're not a few, women do make this choice and stick by it by their own free will.

[Rahul]

Yes we were all raised in a very conservative environment. Yet I turned atheist and she is a very devout Muslim. My other sister is also Muslim but doesn't wear "nikab" but rather wears the head scarf. She has complete freedom to remove it (no one is forcing her now), but she wants to conform to what everyone is expecting. It is more of a social pressure than anything else I believe for most cases. The point I want to make is that in some cases, and they're not a few, women do make this choice and stick by it by their own free will.

Why does it have to be black?

[Kim]

Why does it have to be black?

My guess it's the least "colorful" color? ie. less attention or whatever :-)

[pocaracas]

Why does it have to be black?

My guess it's the least "colorful" color? ie. less attention or whatever :-)

Easier to blend into dark corners.
Easier to replace the female with a male under the thing... and no one notices.

[Rahul]

My guess it's the least "colorful" color? ie. less attention or whatever :-)

Well that's no fun. In the US they need to wear one that looks like this.



It would completely wipe out 99% of any criticisms that people would have about it being worn.

[festive1]

Was your sister raised Muslim? I'm guessing yes, as you say you are from Kuwait. How is that anything other than conforming to a cultural norm? Where is the choice in wearing a full body coverup, when failure to do so leads to being rejected or being thought of and treated as unfaithful to the belief system? And the judging of other women, including Muslim women, who do not cover themselves fully... Believing oneself better or more pious, I don't know, it seems like martyrdom.

Yes we were all raised in a very conservative environment. Yet I turned atheist and she is a very devout Muslim. My other sister is also Muslim but doesn't wear "nikab" but rather wears the head scarf. She has complete freedom to remove it (no one is forcing her now), but she wants to conform to what everyone is expecting. It is more of a social pressure than anything else I believe for most cases. The point I want to make is that in some cases, and they're not a few, women do make this choice and stick by it by their own free will.

So your one sister would say she is more devout than your other because she doesn't wear the full coverup? Isn't it obvious how messed up that is? Smug, I am better than you feelings, ick. It's not that anyone is forcing her, it's the fact she believes it places herself above others and the positive social reinforcement that gives her that I find so distasteful.

Weird, random aside to anyone willing to discuss. Do male to female, Muslim transvestites or transexuals want to wear the coverups? Would anyone notice? How often does this possibly occur?

[Faith No More]

Weird, random aside to anyone willing to discuss. Do male to female, Muslim transvestites or transexuals want to wear the coverups? Would anyone notice? How often does this possibly occur?

Haha, festive1...this is the middle east after all. How many open transexual Muslims do you think there are?

[festive1]

No need to be open if you're hiding under a tent. No one would know...
Maybe it's a lot... Let's just imagine it was a lot of Muslim, transexual men hiding under these burqas... Changes things a bit