Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles

[wwjs]

Ultimately the acceptance of miracles — events where the laws of nature apparently break down — are one example of a "God of the Gaps" argument that ultimately ends up building tensions between science and religion. If inexplicable events are used as evidence for God, what happens when later science comes along and provides a natural explanation? When the gap goes away, where is the room left for God?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/comm...6349.story

[Full Circle]

There will come a time in the future when our boundless curiosity riding on the shoulders of our sharpest and most intelligent brethren will discover something new and astounding about the universe, whether it be in astrophysics, biology or any of the other scientific disciplines, that will be revolutionary. At that moment, mark my words, the religious will come forth and claim it as their own or that it further confirms the existence of a supernatural being.

Furthermore, just as the flat-earth society, and the heliocentric society, and the evil spell society have been disproved and cast aside, this new discovery will fill in another “gap” in our knowledge and the religious will find themselves standing on an ever shrinking iceberg of mysticism and delusion.

God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance.
Neil deGrasse Tyson

[Minimalist]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-13/po...rs/4684798

Pope Francis has created the first saints of his reign, canonising some 800 Italian martyrs who refused to convert to Islam in the 15th century.

Most of the dead remain anonymous.

Come celebrate St. Whosiwhatzis' Day - the patron saint of bleeding on the carpet!

Stupid catholic assholes.

[Angrboda]

There's a trap door hidden under a box in the hall closet that leads to a sizable tunnel under the floor boards. He can hide out there as long as I'm still collecting social security.

[Minimalist]

There will come a time in the future when our boundless curiosity riding on the shoulders of our sharpest and most intelligent brethren will discover something new and astounding about the universe

Yes there will.

And shithead jesus freaks will deny it.

[Full Circle]

There will come a time in the future when our boundless curiosity riding on the shoulders of our sharpest and most intelligent brethren will discover something new and astounding about the universe

Yes there will.

And shithead jesus freaks will deny it.

Some freaks might but I think it will be userped by the IDers as proof of god's incredible design and perfect plan. Meanwhile for those of us that are under no such spell it will simply be just one more nail in the coffin of ignorance and superstition.

I have yet to see any scientific finding that the religious twits can't explain with their woo, no matter how fucking ridiculous it may sound. Two of my all-time favorites remain god placing fossils to "trick" us and of course creating light in transit 6000 years ago from stars billions of years away. If they can believe that they can believe anything.

[Tonus]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-13/po...rs/4684798

Most of the dead remain anonymous.

I'll bet that made it really difficult to verify that they performed miracles.

[Drich]

Why do we assume that Miricals Have to be always grounded in the world of Magic/unknown?

Especially when God is the God of the known universe. Meaning all of the things 'sciecne' has observed and placed a lable on God created. So if God created all of the processes and 'laws' Science has observed then why should God be religated to only performing miricals based in Magic and the unknown?

I contend that a mirical is not defined on our ablity to comperhend what has happened, but that it is the will and action of God that made it happen. Either through a normal process or a 'magical' one.

[tokutter]

Why do we assume that Miricals Have to be always grounded in the world of Magic/unknown?

Especially when God is the God of the known universe. Meaning all of the things 'sciecne' has observed and placed a lable on God created. So if God created all of the processes and 'laws' Science has observed then why should God be religated to only performing miricals based in Magic and the unknown?

I contend that a mirical is not defined on our ablity to comperhend what has happened, but that it is the will and action of God that made it happen. Either through a normal process or a 'magical' one.

Drich....you learning to spell ....would be......a miracle.

[Minimalist]

Why do we assume that Miricals Have to be always grounded in the world of Magic/unknown?

Because...by definition....

mir·a·cle
[mir-uh-kuhl] Show IPA
noun
1.
an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

Next all you need to do is provide evidence that the "supernatural" exists anywhere other than your imagination.