Worst Theistic Argument

[Retorth]

What difference does it make if I, an Atheist, do not believe in the existence of god?

So you are Atheist rather than Agnostic? So you have proof there is no God? Isn't the point that even though you don't believe theres a good reason to look into it?

Atheists do not claim to have evidence or proof against the existence of god.

Nobody has been able to prove he does exist either so as far as I am concerned, I disbelief the notion that a god or gods exist unless shown evidence otherwise.

Do you actively look for evidence of Baal, or Gilgamesh, or Ganesha? What if you are wrong, would you not need to find that out?

So far I have not seen any evidence for any god, and I don't really see much point in looking for evidence for each and every one of the 1000's of gods on this Earth.

Except the fsm of course (blessed be his noodly appendages).

Im not in the same position as you though. Im assuming you have a lack of reason for God whereas i have experienced God and so that counts out the other Gods. I suppose its more asking for you to be open to God then rather than searching every religion (or maybe just the main ones).

How have you "experienced" god?

[leo-rcc]

What difference does it make if I, an Atheist, do not believe in the existence of god?

So you are Atheist rather than Agnostic? So you have proof there is no God? Isn't the point that even though you don't believe theres a good reason to look into it?

You got your definitions of Atheism and Agnosticism mixed up. Atheism deals with the non belief in gods, Agnosticism deals with the knowledge of gods. One can be an agnostic atheist, meaning I have no belief in gods, and do not know for sure gods exist or not.

Do you actively look for evidence of Baal, or Gilgamesh, or Ganesha? What if you are wrong, would you not need to find that out?

So far I have not seen any evidence for any god, and I don't really see much point in looking for evidence for each and every one of the 1000's of gods on this Earth.

Except the fsm of course (blessed be his noodly appendages).

Im not in the same position as you though. Im assuming you have a lack of reason for God

What is a lack of reason for God?

whereas i have experienced God and so that counts out the other Gods.

How do you know it was that god?

I suppose its more asking for you to be open to God then rather than searching every religion (or maybe just the main ones).

Be open to God, could you be any more vague?

[Edwardo Piet]

As for pascals wager though it isn't a good reason to believe in God, dont you think it is good reason not to just sit back and not care whether there is a God or not?

Perhaps a reason to start thinking about it in the first place. Simply because it's another way to start thinking. I don't think the questions of Pascal's Wager are anything but extremely futile though. Why would hell be any more likely if God exists if the Bible isn't evidence for God? And seen as the Bible isn't evidence, why would atheists be any more likely to go to hell than theists, or indeed, Christians? Etc.

[...]The argument of the universe being "too perfect to have happened by chance" imo. I see it all the time, the people that make that argument don't realize that the universe is not "fine tuned" for us, evolution has "fine tuned" us for it.

How does God make the issue any easier? It just complicates things further. If the universe can't just happen by chance, or be there from the beginning - or whatever started it off be there from beginning - then God can't either. Why is God required, and why believe he exists to create the universe?

This arguement is on a higher level than Pascals Wager don't yout think?

Perhaps, but it's still a case of "goddidit" because the universe can't 'happen by chance', the whole, "something can't come from nothing" thing. It seems impressive with the whole fine tuning thing, but fine tuning + God is even more complex. Imagine how fine tuned God would have to be.

I mean if you say it like this it is bad but real arguements of this type can be developed much further.

It would be cool if you'd elaborate further then And perhaps another thread, if you will, if it's going to drift off-topic at all - or if you just think that would be better.

EvF

[Ryft]

As for Pascal's Wager: although it isn't a good reason to believe in God, don't you think it is good reason to not just sit back and not care whether there is a God or not?

First, the difficulty is that Pascal's Wager cannot be met. You cannot win for losing. For example, to truly satisfy Pascal's Wager you would have to believe in every deity conceived, to make sure you have covered all the bases (if you invest belief in deity X and it turns out deity Y is the real one, you could end up screwed). However, some deities like Yahweh of Christianity and Allah of Islam, get really pissed if you believe in any other gods, so even by covering all your bases you still could end up screwed. Pascal's Wager cannot be met.

Second, this is an atheist forum. They DON'T care whether or not God exists. (Since we are both Christians, I am speaking to you about the only God you and I believe in.) As far as most atheists are concerned, including most of the ones here, even if they had incontrovertible evidence that God exists they would still choose hell over spending an eternity with God, because they absolutely despise him. Spend a few minutes talking to an atheist about the God of the Bible and in very short order you will hear all the strong objections they have against him. As the apostle Paul said, "For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God's laws, and it never will" (Rom. 8:7, NLT).

[leo-rcc]

If God exists, I do think he is an asshole. I certainly would not worship him because I have seen nothing worth worshipping him about.

[Retorth]

Have you seen prison inmate statistics in the US?

[solarwave]

If God exists, I do think he is an asshole. I certainly would not worship him because I have seen nothing worth worshipping him about.

Isn't the reason you see nothing worth worship about Him because you dont believe in Him?

[leo-rcc]

If God exists, I do think he is an asshole. I certainly would not worship him because I have seen nothing worth worshipping him about.

Isn't the reason you see nothing worth worship about Him because you dont believe in Him?

No, even if I have positive evidence the god of the bible is true, then I would believe in him, but he still is an asshole and there is nothing worthy of worshipping an asshole.

[Tiberius]

Have you seen prison inmate statistics in the US?

Have you seen my debunking of those "statistics":

http://atheistblogger.com/2009/03/13/ath...the-facts/

[Retorth]

Have you seen prison inmate statistics in the US?

Have you seen my debunking of those "statistics":

http://atheistblogger.com/2009/03/13/ath...the-facts/

No I hadn't and I just read it. Quite an interesting article. I take back my statement then.