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agnostic atheism is oxymoronic
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe 
My thoughts? Belief and knowledge are different things. Atheism is a belief that there is no god. You should look up the actual definition of agnostic and realize agnosticism as an adjective that when added to any word means to not know. Atheism = belief. Agnostic atheist means simply an atheist who believes theres no god but doesnt know for sure. There are also agnostic theists. Any gnostic theist or atheist needs FAITH to claim such knowledge. Therefore reasonable people are agnostic in their beliefs because we do not know the answers for certain.
Agnostic as a noun is a belief, yes.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Atheism is a non belief: do you believe in God? Answer: no.
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 (July 21, 2013 at 5:36 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Atheism is a non belief: do you believe in God? Answer: no. Who is MC? I remember Fred Dretski saying in lecture that claims regarding nonsensical, unreal things have no truth value. I thought it seemed reasonable to regard as true the claim that "unicorns did not trample my garden today". Even if he wouldn't allow that, then surely he would have to allow that "unicorns don't exist" is either true or it isn't, likewise for God. Otherwise, it might be reasonable to respond to the "do you believe in God" - question by answering: "I don't know what to believe since it isn't at all clear to me what we are even talking about. Neither I nor anyone I know has ever seen one and even those who claim to believe in god(s) seem to have a hard time nailing down an adequate description. There is simply too little to go on."
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: agnostic atheism is oxymoronic
July 21, 2013 at 8:44 am
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2013 at 8:46 am by fr0d0.)
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I was influenced by Tiberius' recent post where he said an abstention was also an assertion of non belief. You're not in the fence, you simply don't believe. If you knew nothing of the choice, you still wouldn't believe. I don't think that harms the position of non belief at all. I think it's better than saying "I believe God doesn't exist". That then suggests that you have something to defend. It begs the question asking to explain the justification for it. Maybe that's semantics and both statements could be challenged. And answered by the retort: I find no reason to believe.  (July 21, 2013 at 3:41 am)fr0d0 Wrote:Yeah, no. You're just backpedaling now.(July 20, 2013 at 10:57 pm)MikeTheInfidel Wrote: What the hell were you talking about if you weren't saying that the stories the Bible tells are exactly like what I experience? If the stories told in the Bible were exactly like what I experience, they wouldn't be fairy tales. You're not even approaching sense here.  (July 19, 2013 at 11:55 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: "I do not believe god(s) exist" I have no evidence for or against the existence of any deity. The argument against the existence of a deity is more compelling to me so I make a leap of 'faith' and say I believe that deities do not exist, even though I do not know either way. I have an internal system that sets different levels of reason to each element of my life, it is not consistent because different aspects of my life require different levels of reason - generally speaking the less important it is to me the lower the level of reason and vice versa. I have no universal truths, just levels of reason I am prepared to accept. As elements of my life take on different levels of importance and as I gather more information to reason with I am prone to contradiction, but these contradictions drive my intellectual curiosity, so I welcome them. I hope never to be certain of anything, that's the start of intellectual intransigence and ignorance. I hope always to be searching for a better answer. MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: agnostic atheism is oxymoronic
July 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2013 at 5:45 pm by fr0d0.)
(July 21, 2013 at 5:23 pm)MikeTheInfidel Wrote: Yeah, no. You're just backpedaling now. (1) 1. I'm honestly not. 2. The ordinary human events I would expect you to be able to relate to. Like people's reactions when presented with miracles yet disbelieving. If that's what you mean. 
The way I see it, Agnostic refers to knowledge, and Atheism refers to belief.
As an agnostic, I don't know whether or not there is a God. As an atheist, I don't believe there is one.
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