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Why I Am Pro-Life
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
(July 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm amazed that there are any Republican women at all, never mind anti-choice women.

Just goes to show you that you can always find collaborators no matter what group you target for oppression.
Collaborator is not fair way to describe them IMO. Some may oppose it only for (what they consider them to be) moral reasons.
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#12
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
(July 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm)wwjs Wrote: I'm sure there are also non-religious women (although probably not Republican) who oppose abortion.

People are free to oppose anything they like. Simply understand that you are little more than a busy body trying to tell someone else how to run their life. Their decisions do not impact you in any way.
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#13
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
Which is what this issue about abortion is about Evangelican conservative Christians trying for force their religious views on the rest of the country
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#14
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
Pro-life women exist because internalised misogyny exists. Simplez.
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#15
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
The term "pro life" doesn`t exist here.

We refer to these people as "Abtreibungsgegner" "Opponents to abortion".

And protesting against something like this is hard here, because this society takes privacy as serious as Texans do the second amendment and harasing people at clinics is considered by most to be a violation of privacy.
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#16
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
(July 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(July 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm)wwjs Wrote: I'm sure there are also non-religious women (although probably not Republican) who oppose abortion.

I'm amazed that there are any non-religious people who are anti-choice, at least any who stay that way for long.

I was for a short time. Then I learned some basic things about fetal development and realized there's no there, there. It's only with religious indoctrination and a belief that there's a mystical soul that occupies that collection of cells that you can believe that's a person with rights to life. Without the supernatural crap, that center can't hold.

My opinion is completely based upon science. A human being exists from conception, and moral choices apply.
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#17
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
(July 21, 2013 at 6:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(July 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm amazed that there are any non-religious people who are anti-choice, at least any who stay that way for long.

I was for a short time. Then I learned some basic things about fetal development and realized there's no there, there. It's only with religious indoctrination and a belief that there's a mystical soul that occupies that collection of cells that you can believe that's a person with rights to life. Without the supernatural crap, that center can't hold.

My opinion is completely based upon science. A human being exists from conception, and moral choices apply.

And who is to decide what those choices are? You? Or the women most affected by them?
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

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#18
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
I would say that the woman is best placed.

Are you saying that science would say that isn't her decision?
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#19
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
(July 21, 2013 at 7:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I would say that the woman is best placed.

Are you saying that science would say that isn't her decision?

I'm saying that it is her decision and ONLY her decision. And, whatever you may think of the science, it doesn't say what you apparently think it says. Science and your opinion aren't necessarily the same thing.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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#20
RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
IMO, logically speaking, regardless of what you think of abortion, you should still be pro-abortion when it comes to the law, because abortion goes on whether you like it or not, except now less people die for it. Unless you think people should risk death if they attempt abortion. In which case I think you're rather sick.
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