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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm
I accept your apology. I just didn't expect that kind of thing from you. It surprised and disappointed me is all.
As far as other forums go I believe there was a Fr0d0 on .com for a brief time. Probably dating to before I joined this one. Invited in one day to help defend another new member's unpopular opinions. If it wasn't you I apologize. But if it wasn't it was your online doppelganger, and I have assumed it was you since I first joined this forum.
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 1, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Yes that was me. I didn't hang around too long, no.
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August 1, 2013 at 11:00 pm
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Short but memorable.
BTW, I do not advocate teaching the first point in the classroom. But unlike some others around here I would like to see some religious history and comparative religion taught in American primary schools.
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 1, 2013 at 11:13 pm
"Short but memorable" said the actress to the bishop.
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 2, 2013 at 12:18 am
(August 1, 2013 at 9:20 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: ^ Two good answers in a row, and they're both from dogs. Who woulda thunk it.
You have a shrewd eye there, CSJ. You're right, neither one is a bitch. Guess every dog has his day.
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August 2, 2013 at 7:04 am
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In the beginning, there was Tralfamadore, a planet in the Small Magellanic Cloud and the home of a civilization of machines, which dispatches Salo to a distant galaxy with a message for its inhabitants. After a part in his ship breaks, however, Salo is forced to land on Titan, a moon of Saturn, where he befriends Winston Niles Rumfoord, who looks a lot like Earth author Kurt Vonnegut. And the mighty Vonnegut, I mean the mighty Rumfoord saw that it was good. And on the first day, he rested with a bottle of Ripple wine, and he said "to hell with the rest, except for the number 541, which I shall keep to my bosom as a reminder of what could have been, but was not".
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August 2, 2013 at 5:20 pm
"So it goes."
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August 2, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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In the beginning there was no god. Then came the big bang, followed by dinosaurs, followed by monkeys. Some monkeys said "Let there be god", and there was god, and those monkeys saw that god was good, and those monkeys are still monkeys. Other Monkeys bit into the fruit of knowledge, and saw that god was no good, so they became humans.
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August 2, 2013 at 6:03 pm
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RE: beginning of The Universe theories
August 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm
(August 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm)John79 Wrote: This is a question i have wanted to ask atheists (and anyone else) for a long time. I would like to understand what you believe is the cause of the universe and the world's existance. Obviously Christians moslems and others believe in creation, and I think its true most or all atheists believe in a big bang theory.
i have read some about this theory and I can't find where the cause of it is explained. What do you think?
The Big Bang Theory is simply the most popular (and by that I mean well known not necessarily liked) of a number of Universe Origin Theories.
Most Physicists today would rather it be called the Big Expansion Theory although given the speed and violence of it all 'Bang' is not necessarily out of place.
My personal choice is the 'Something from Nothing Theory', that in very simple terms means you do not need anything to create a Universe full of matter (NB- very simple terms).
It's very difficult to explain to people how this works without getting deep into Quantum Physics, but to keep it simple it can be said that the 'Laws of Physics' (although the term 'Law' is not strictly accurate) are exactly the same laws as of nothing. There needs to be no change in these 'Laws of Physics' to create matter out of nothing.
Scientists have attempted to create 'nothingness' but the closest they can get is a Quantum Vacuum, which is far from empty. A quantum vacuum is full of particles popping in and out of existence. We have observed this and measured it.
"Prof. Edward Tryon of Hunter College of the City University of New York thought so when he proposed in 1973 that our Universe may have originated as a fluctuation of the vacuum on a large scale, as "simply one of those things which happen from time to time." This idea was later refined and updated within the context of inflationary cosmology by Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University, who proposed that the universe is created by quantum tunneling from literally nothing into the something we call our universe." - Dr. H. E. Puthoff, Institute for Advanced Studies, Austin, Texas.
The idea that the Universe came into existence from a void is not a new idea, its been around at least 40 years. But its not a popular idea, because it requires more than a passing understanding of a number of branches of physics to grasp.
But to keep it on a simple level, the Universe and everything in it can have come into existence from nothing (or at least a quantum vacuum). Not only does this idea make logical sense (it stands to reason that at some point there must have been nothing) it answers the question of what came before the 'Big Bang', and interestingly it hints at what might come next...
The main reason this has never really caught on like the Big Bang Theory is simple, no one likes the idea that we are just patterns in the void.
MM
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