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Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
Good stuff. Thanks.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
Well, that debate ended quickly.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(September 5, 2013 at 9:54 am)Tonus Wrote:
(September 5, 2013 at 1:49 am)Max_Kolbe Wrote: So correct me if I'm wrong, atheists want proof that God exists, not proof that he doesn't exist?

Yes. Many of us are former believers who could not prove that god exists and found that we had no reasonable basis for our beliefs. So we abandoned them. I'm not interested in proving that god does not exist, as much as I am interested in whether anyone who still believes can prove that one does.

So you're saying you want others to do the work for you. That would not fly with your boss so why should it fly with God?

Smile GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(September 6, 2013 at 11:32 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(September 5, 2013 at 9:54 am)Tonus Wrote: Yes. Many of us are former believers who could not prove that god exists and found that we had no reasonable basis for our beliefs. So we abandoned them. I'm not interested in proving that god does not exist, as much as I am interested in whether anyone who still believes can prove that one does.

So you're saying you want others to do the work for you. That would not fly with your boss so why should it fly with God?

Smile GC

Oh? Are you offering to prove that god doesn't exist? What a daunting task; good luck.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(September 6, 2013 at 11:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: So you're saying you want others to do the work for you. That would not fly with your boss so why should it fly with God?

What, being religious is like a job to you?

I'm saying that I spent many, many years trying to prove that something was true, and finally realized that my task seemed impossible. But there are others who claim that it's quite possible. I am interested in whether or not they can prove the claim. If their response is to try to brush me off with "I won't do the work for you" then I think it's fair to assume that they cannot do it either, since that's a strange attitude to take with questions of such grand importance.

It seems to me that you're only one step removed from where I am, GC.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(September 7, 2013 at 8:36 am)Tonus Wrote: It seems to me that you're only one step removed from where I am, GC.

I look forward to the newly debuted 'Godlesschild' cage fighting Drich.

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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
He'd have to shed that sinful pride first.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(September 7, 2013 at 8:36 am)Tonus Wrote:
(September 6, 2013 at 11:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: So you're saying you want others to do the work for you. That would not fly with your boss so why should it fly with God?

What, being religious is like a job to you?

I'm saying that I spent many, many years trying to prove that something was true, and finally realized that my task seemed impossible. But there are others who claim that it's quite possible. I am interested in whether or not they can prove the claim. If their response is to try to brush me off with "I won't do the work for you" then I think it's fair to assume that they cannot do it either, since that's a strange attitude to take with questions of such grand importance.

It seems to me that you're only one step removed from where I am, GC.

Being religious should be like a job since IMO is what religion is about. Living in a relationship with Christ is having the greatest friend one could desire. Friendships do take work and since Christ is a perfect friend it is man who has to work at it, but like any good friend Christ offers His help.
I'm not sure one can prove that Christianity is true even to one's self, I think it's something one grows into over the years of study, prayer and working at the relationship and watching one's life change because of that relationship.
I wasn't trying to brush you off, I was trying to let you know that you are responsible for your belief, if someone is serious about finding the truth of God I'm always willing to help. But when one gets brushed off as much as the Christians do here, we can become less caring because of the experience. Sorry that I came off as brushing you off.

Smile GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
GC we have lack of belief, I am POSITIVE you've been told this a million times. No one's responsible for their lack of belief, don't play.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?
(September 8, 2013 at 12:37 am)Godschild Wrote: But when one gets brushed off as much as the Christians do here, we can become less caring because of the experience.

I'm so tired of this excuse: do you ever think that maybe we're not brushing you off, we just don't find your arguments convincing? Maybe, just maybe, your arguments aren't convincing? Thinking
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