"Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox

[bennyboy]

Yes I can vote against it, regardless of what you think I have the right by Constitution to speak my mind.

Okay, you vote on homosexuality, and we'll vote on whether your vote matters. I vote "no," since denying other people their free will as a Christian counts as hypocrisy as well as showing a lack of faith in God's ability to make and judge His own without your help.

[Ryantology]

This subject is a hot bed of disagreement and until both sides sit down and peacefully try and draw sensible conclusions to this it will remain so, hate and anger have never solved a problem, only increased the misunderstandings of both sides.

There's nothing to debate because there is only one sensible conclusion: live your own life according to scripture, stay out of everybody else's life. As long as you believe you have the right to force other people to live according to your preferences, there is no room for discussion and no reason to treat you as anything except a backwards and hateful hick.

[Bad Writer]

Science already worked it out, but thanks for the FYI. And why do we need to sit down and come to some middle ground with Christians? It's called Separation of Church and State. You can disagree with homosexuality for unfounded reasons all you want, but you have no right to tell them they can't get married under secular law. It's amazing that people are finally coming to this realization.

Yes I can vote against it, regardless of what you think I have the right by Constitution to speak my mind.

Voting against it potentially changes the law from secular to religious. As far as the concept of Separation of Church and State is concerned, you really don't have any right. Do you have any secular motives to vote against it? If so, then I'm all ears.

[genkaus]

As for what scripture says (ie. God), the act of same gender sex is not natural and is to be refrained from completely. I do not know anywhere in scripture that says some people are or are not born with an attraction to the same gender, as far as I know the scriptures are neutral on this. It however is not neutral on the act of homosexuality in any form. Scriptures do not speak against the gays not having rights, it speaks against gays having the right to marry and act physically upon their feelings. So I would believe that gays having rights as married couples is scripturally wrong. Thus the reason most Christians are opposed to those rights and it is our right to choose to oppose those rights according to our Constitution. To deny a gay person the rights as an individual is wrong as long as the community says it's okay, and scripture does not speak against it, this should be a Christians stance. This subject is a hot bed of disagreement and until both sides sit down and peacefully try and draw sensible conclusions to this it will remain so, hate and anger have never solved a problem, only increased the misunderstandings of both sides.

Sensible conclusions? There can be none as long as your side continues to with this irrational position. Regardless the immorality of telling someone that it is wrong to act according to one's nature, there is no justification for denying them their individual rights. A person's individual rights and their limitations are determined by the nature of his being, not by community's say so. And therefore, it is not acceptable to deny them those rights even if the community says it's okay.

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Yes I can vote against it, regardless of what you think I have the right by Constitution to speak my mind.

This subject should not be open to vote, constitutionally speaking. Certain fundamental aspects of the constitution are not open to change via popular vote - which is why the courts have the right to strike down certain changes as unconstitutional - and this subject should be considered as one of them.

[Godscreated]

[rexbeccarox]

Whoa whoa whoa... federally funded abortion? We're talking about homosexuality here, and we've digressed to same-sex marriage. I'll ask again: Why would you vote against same-sex marriage? How does anyone's marriage affect you?

[Godscreated]

Yes I can vote against it, regardless of what you think I have the right by Constitution to speak my mind.

Okay, you vote on homosexuality, and we'll vote on whether your vote matters. I vote "no," since denying other people their free will as a Christian counts as hypocrisy as well as showing a lack of faith in God's ability to make and judge His own without your help.

If I make a stand for or stay neutral on homosexual marriage I take a stand against God. You completely misunderstand the free will given to a person by God. Making a stand against God is not how Christianity nor free will works, I suggest you read the Bible and specifically look for all verses that pertain to free will. You are not the dictator of the U.S., and until you are I will vote my beliefs as my Constitution gives me the right. Why are you so bigoted against Christians right to speak for what they see as good for society.

GC

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Whoa whoa whoa... federally funded abortion? We're talking about homosexuality here, and we've digressed to same-sex marriage. I'll ask again: Why would you vote against same-sex marriage? How does anyone's marriage affect you?

Let's not digress any farther then.

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Yes I can vote against it, regardless of what you think I have the right by Constitution to speak my mind.

This subject should not be open to vote, constitutionally speaking. Certain fundamental aspects of the constitution are not open to change via popular vote - which is why the courts have the right to strike down certain changes as unconstitutional - and this subject should be considered as one of them.

I agree it should not, but the gay community is pushing for the vote and the court has no right to make constitutional law.

GC

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Yes I can vote against it, regardless of what you think I have the right by Constitution to speak my mind.

Voting against it potentially changes the law from secular to religious. As far as the concept of Separation of Church and State is concerned, you really don't have any right. Do you have any secular motives to vote against it? If so, then I'm all ears.

No it does not, I have the right to vote on anything from my POV and you have no right to keep me from it, so I will continue to vote as I see fit. The separation of church and state guarantees me that the state will not interfere in the way I vote. If you do not believe this then you might as well through out separation of church and state, because Thomas Jefferson upheld both of these beliefs.

GC

[rexbeccarox]

Whoa whoa whoa... federally funded abortion? We're talking about homosexuality here, and we've digressed to same-sex marriage. I'll ask again: Why would you vote against same-sex marriage? How does anyone's marriage affect you?

Let's not digress any farther then.

No, let's do. I've asked you twice now. If you're voting against marriage equality, you must have your reasons and I would love to hear them. How does anyone's marriage, other than your own, affect you? (Third time)

[Cato]

I do not know if it's genetic or not, ... I'm stating this from the view of genetics.

GC,
Does this mean you don't know what you are talking about? Or, in the midst of your rambling you came to an understanding?

Mods,
I used ellipsis for efficiency, not to use GC's words in a nefarious way. In fact, his position is further compomised if I had repeated the quote in its entirety.

GC,
Still thiking? Don't hurt yourself. You and I know damn well that your intollerance for those not like you is based on the words of an ancient text, buttressed by self-annointed spokesman whom won't be challenged by the flock.

[Bad Writer]

Well then, GC, impose your bigoted beliefs on people because I'm sure that's what Thomas Jefferson intended to happen.