Unanswered questions

[Angrboda]

[Drich]

[Bad Writer]

You asked what my homosexual son would have to do to be disowned... I told you.

Wrong. I asked if you would disown him if he was homosexual, not what he'd have to do as a homosexual to be disowned. Moving on.

Homosexuality is a sin like any other sexual sin and should be approached like any other sexual sin.

How is homosexuality a sexual sin? All homosexuality describes is an inclination towards the same sex. I think you're jumping the gun here a bit, kind of like how you began thinking of your son looking at you while you're in the shower.

Do you like Lesbian porn, or does your porn have to have heterosexual intercourse only? How do you feel about threesomes?

I'd send him to a camp if he wanted to go. Believe it or not, not all people who have sexual feelings for the same sex want them.

I'm circumcised. Did anyone ask me if I wanted that? I'm stuck with a mutilated dick for life, and I've learned to do very well with what I have. I accept that I'm circumcised. This may not be the most apt analogy, but I can tell you that if you try to go against a sexual tendency, there is bound to be psychological damage. Same kinda goes for me if I were to dwell on the fact that I'm circumcised...trying to go against this fact does me no good in the end.

If he wanted to embrace his feelings then I'd give him what he was due, and let him go and do what he wanted to do. Let him be his own man/woman or whatever the p/c term is this week. If and when he was ready to be an active member of this family I would welcome him home.

Why didn't you just say this at first? So you would disown him/her for sexual tendencies that weren't up to snuff with your bible, even though science proves that homosexuality is not a sickness, but a biological fact (just like my circumcision).

(As per the story of the prodigal son)This would be true for a heterosexual daughter or son as well.

The story of the Prodigal Son wasn't about disowning the child. As for the heterosexual sin of pre-marital sex or heterosexual fornication, I wonder what Jesus would think about you disowning your teenage daughter because she got pregnant? What's that story in the Gospel of John about Jesus saving the Hooker from being stoned, and then forgiving her on the spot? Are you saying this doesn't count?

Anyway, it's amazing how un-biblical you actually are despite your heavy Bible thumping, for all the good it does. This is the point I was trying to make about you, and you played right into my hands. I can rightfully say that you are scum for acting as so many other so-called Christians would when confronted with sexual sin and homosexuality. You are a bigot, a hypocrite, and crummy human being. If you don't follow your Lord Jesus, then who is it that you follow? Pastor Fred? Well, it's apparent that he doesn't speak for Jesus either.

But then it's hard to speak for someone who may never have existed in the first place...but that's another conversation.

[Drich]

[Bad Writer]

[Angrboda]

"The first version of the vision was written in Joseph Smith's own hand in 1832. It was personal. It merely dealt with his sinfulness and his going to the grove to ask God for forgiveness. End of story. Subsequently, over the next 12 years, there were other versions that emerged from Joseph Smith, where the story got more detailed and more colorful. And one of the later versions became the official version."
— from "The Mormons", PBS: American Experience

(quoted in the original Messengers/Message thread)

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I don't know if I saw a "Capitol A"ngel or just a messenger, but what stuck me was what he had to say.

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He told me of comming prosperity, but not for my benfit so I could live in luxuary, but so I could help others ... I have been given my own company which has grown by double to a factor of 5 every year since we started in 03, and since have rolled what we do, over into dealership in '07. Which has since afforded us another oppertunity to split the company and place us in a position to sell equipment to competing dealers.

I was told I was going to be a spiritual leader

I can tell you that if I was told that I would have to endure a 250 dollar aday herion addicted wife, for the first 5 years of our marriage, or near bankruptcy, or alienation from my family, or loss of friends or being shunned from our church, or any of the really bad things I am not going to talk about here I would have probably taken the easy way out along time ago. I was given exactly what I need to endure those trials and nothing else. [i.e. none of the bad stuff]

"Because these avenues are typically how Satan speaks. the way we can tell between the two messages, is that ... 'Other' messages seem to appeal to one's vanity." — Drich

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I don't know about that. Have you heard about the "angel" that told him the future?

So again if someone out of the blue were to lay out every major event in your life, and told you He was from God, and gave you a list of things to focous on, would you brush it off even if everything he said started to unfold as he said it, or would you do as you were instructed?

(emphasis mine, here and later)

You have confused a retelling with a given senerio. The segment you quoted was a small piece of a greater point, not a retelling of my specific situation.

I quoted no "segment." I read over the story multiple times to see if I could harmonize what you've written in this thread, in which you claim he told you he was from God, with what you wrote in that previous thread and it simply cannot be made consistent. Nowhere in that entire thread do you claim that he told you he was from God. That's a rather striking omission, if true, and makes the whole "guardian angel" bit rather beside the point. I even checked a related thread to see if you'd ever gotten back to me about finding the original written account you claimed you had made; not surprisingly, you never did get back to me. Your story as recounted in Messengers/Message thread is simply not consistent with what you have told us in this thread. On top of everything else, you claim that he pointed the way to your marrying your crack whore wife, and yet you still had to agonize over whether or not to stick by her. ("I was told I was going to be ... a Husband ... to one God specifically groomed for me.") The pieces simply do not fit.

Later in that thread you explain why you wrote the story down afterward, saying, "I gave the guy 2 dollars when we parted ways, and wrote the story down as soon as I got to a place I could do so. Why because He gave me so many future events to look after I wanted to see if they would come true." No mention that he said he was from God there, either. I guess guys claiming to be from God were such a common occurrence in your life at that time that you didn't think it worth mentioning. And I guess you didn't think it strange that he claimed to be from God, yet he needed cash and a ride.

Further on in that thread, we discuss your belief that the angel was a "messenger from God." Again, no mention that he had claimed to be from God, though it would have been rather pertinent, as that is specifically what I had asked. But let's see your own words:

If I'm not misreading you, you concluded that this gentleman who was "something like that" was a messenger from God,

I start saying is I don't know if he was a proper Angel or if he simply carried a message from God. Simply carring the message technically makes one an angel, but does not nessarily mean one is a spirit based being who lives with God "Angel"

If he had indeed said that he was from God, why all this rubbish about proper angels? A simple, "he said he was from God," would have made infinitely more sense. Moreover, in your OP you state that, "I tell you all of this to say a angel is a messenger from God." Your exposition in that thread simply doesn't make sense in light of him having told you that he was from God.... unless, at that point in your development of this little Christian morality tale, you hadn't added that detail.

It wasn't the fact that i did this or that. It was that a 'man' told me what I was going to do 4 to 5 years before I did it.

Another opportunity to let us in on the secret that he said he was from God. Maybe you didn't mention it because neither did he.

...I have told the story a few times, and if I were looking to perfect anything I would have by now. The story is told to the best of my ablity to recount the events. Theological fundi flaws and all. It stands or falls on the merrit of what I can recall. Nothing added nothing taken away.

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And now, rather than admitting as much, you attempt to cover over the inconsistencies with a diversionary excuse and accusing me of being "confused."

I guess we can add that you are an unrepentant liar to the list of things we know about you.

[Edwardo Piet]

You have a strange idea of what constitutes evidence Mike. But that's a given.

Could you forgive a mentally ill guy for getting threads mixed up?

Please do...

[Brakeman]

I'd like to hear what god sounds like when he speaks to DRICH.

The sound of me reading my bible if one is made.

So why are you different that other christians that can hear his voice, others that have conversations with him? Some unknown christians wrote the bible and they had to hear god's vocal words to have been able to have written the books down without just making it up. Why are you different than they? Why would god treat Drich differently than so many other christians?

You could argue that it is just not part of god's plan for him to talk to you, but that would seem unlikely, as there is so much for a real god to do these days. There's been a mighty big slump since the time of the ancient prophets..

[Drich]

[The Reality Salesman01]

i suspected as much (seriously) because you would not have asked a origins question when the bible states God's existence preceded creation

But, I did ask an origins question. You said that my comprehension was only limited by the questions I can think to ask. You said that as long as I can ask the question, the answer would not be beyond my ability to comprehend. Let's see if you give me an answer that is beyond my human ability to comprehend...

the bible teaches God was before the beginning of creation. Think about without any part of creation to mark the passage of time, time becomes an unknowable/undocumentiable variable. Therefore to exist before the beginning literally makes one timeless.

Unfortunately, I am a being whose comprehension of time is limited to my knowledge of it being linear. So, to posit an infinity is beyond my realm of comprehension. It is nothing more than conjecture to do so. I have no basis for an infinity, nor do I know what preceeded the big bang, so I am not able to make any claims of the sort. You, have done exactly that. When I ask how you know it to be true, your answer is that you inferred it from your interpretation of biblical texts. You ambiguously offer a scientific understanding of time to justify it, however, should I raise a scientific objection to causation, you are reduced to shrugging your shoulders, and telling me...what exactly? That God's ability is beyond my comrehension?

You choose to retain your current level of understanding, rather than a/s/k for the gift of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom He offers you.

I'm a/s/king you a question, and you're unable to give a good answer.

If you refer to science and in our understanding of time to defend your God, then I assume you will also have no problem with the 3 part chain of causation that your claims of God have left a blank spot in.

An Efficient Cause- Who made it? You say god.

A Material Cause- (blank)

A Formal Cause- The universe

If you believe that only God preceeded the universe, and you are not a proponent of Ex Deo, then from what did God create the universe from?

Every form of causation requires all 3 of the above parts in order to effectively bring something else into existance. Explain.