Remember To Always Tithe!

[gall]

I have a question.

I do not tithe always in the typical way. (Putting money in the plate.)

Sometimes I will give to a charity or some sort of organization. Others I will give to indivisual people when I see a true need. Now if I see you have a need and God prompts me to give you money, bus ticket, gift card, rent, or whatever, and you decide to use my tithe for something else does that make you guilty of the same sin as this Polk county pastor in your minds eye? Why or why not?

That money according to christian dogma was not give to the pastor but rather the church and by proxy god. So he stole so called gods money.

In the end funny thing is myself and many i know that do not buy the religion bs give like mad and don't need to be told to do so. I just know what is right based on how I want to be treated. I didn't need a fantasy to be a good person.

[Thor]

Yes, "God" can do anything!..... But he needs your money!

[Cato]

This tithing bullshit comes up from time to time with friends and family. One friend goes to a church where the pastor and his wife drive matching Escalades. They just opened a large new church. The friend was then asked how his kid's college funds are coming along. After revealing that he didn't have any he was asked why it was so important for him to give money in support of his pastor's kids' funds and not his own.

[freedomfromforum]

I do not tithe always in the typical way. (Putting money in the plate.)

I will give to indivisual people when I see a true need.

Will you give me $100 for some weed please?

I truly need it.

[Drich]

Now if I see you have a need and God prompts me to give you money, bus ticket, gift card, rent, or whatever, and you decide to use my tithe for something else does that make you guilty of the same sin as this Polk county pastor in your minds eye? Why or why not?

Nope. Ist of all, the pastor is guilty of a crime, not a sin. Secondly, if you give the money to me, then it belongs to me to be used in whatever manner I like, regardless of your delusional reasons for giving it to me. Therefore - no crime.

The Pastor is indeed guilt of a sin, his criminal status is not being disputed here has he has been found guilty of fraud.

My Question was not to ask you if you were guilty of a crime. I asked you would you be guilty of the same sin he was for taking money meant to do God's work and use it for his own personal gain?

If you do not want to answer the conditions of my question, know that i am not requiring you to do so. Meaning you don't need to get defensive and try and dismiss what I asked. Next time Simply remain silent, and I won't even know you read what I wrote.

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Sometimes I will give to a charity or some sort of organization. Others I will give to indivisual people when I see a true need. Now if I see you have a need and God prompts me to give you money, bus ticket, gift card, rent, or whatever, and you decide to use my tithe for something else does that make you guilty of the same sin as this Polk county pastor in your minds eye? Why or why not?

Well, when you tithe, isn't the understanding that the money will be used for god's purposes, like the upkeep of the church or the good works the church is bound to do? You're not giving the money to the preacher, but to the religion and the deity it worships, no? So that money shouldn't be used for an individual's private use, regardless of his or her position within the church.

Meanwhile, I'm a private citizen; you wouldn't be giving me anything with the implicit purpose behind it. Now, if you outright tell me you'd like me to spend that money on X thing, and I do otherwise, that's dishonest of me, but not a crime at all.

Agree. My question is not to the criminality of the situation. i asked would you be guilt of the same sin?

[Captain Colostomy]

Sin is a term utilized in fairy tale theatre. Only theatre goers care to use it. Good luck getting an atheist to acknowledge it. A crime, OTOH...

[Drich]

Tithe = Zehnt. I actualy spent 5 minutes looking up the bloody translation until I found a proper one. At least I think it is a proper one.

Charities are notorious for being used to launder money, the sceem of donating to a charity and then letting the charity invest into something under your name or a project that goes bankrupt and the money is payed back to you is hard to trace back.

And it is not only church charities which are used for this kind of scam.

Tithe= Money, Gift, Service given to God, or for the purpose of Glorifying God's name/works.

Tithe in OT times, Meant 10% of whatever your house hold took in needed to be given to the 'church.'

Now a days, the tithe is not limited to 10% nor is 10% even required. The precident in the bible is giving all of one's self. (not just money.)

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Sin is a term utilized in fairy tale theatre. Only theatre goers care to use it. Good luck getting an atheist to acknowledge it. A crime, OTOH...

Getting an atheist to use the term 'sin' is easy peasy, if he thinks that he can use that word to shame or condemn a Christian or Christianity as a whole. That said when atheists do not want to use that word is when they know they can't possiable win an arguement when the crux of the arguement is based on sin. Then out come the reminders that 'technically' you do not even believe in it.

Tell you what, let try and experiement. Say to yourself, that you do not believe in gravity and see if you start to float off the ground... I'll wait...

No?!? You mean your still bound by the laws of graveity even though you do not believe in them??? Then I wonder if your non-belief in sin will really help you float away from accountablity to it?

[Esquilax]

Getting an atheist to use the term 'sin' is easy peasy, if he thinks that he can use that word to shame or condemn a Christian or Christianity as a whole. That said when atheists do not want to use that word is when they know they can't possiable win an arguement when the crux of the arguement is based on sin. Then out come the reminders that 'technically' you do not even believe in it.

Well, we don't believe in it. But you do, and when we see that you lot behave in ways that violate the supposed tenets of your beliefs- including your belief in sin- then pointing it out is a valid argument.

Tell you what, let try and experiement. Say to yourself, that you do not believe in gravity and see if you start to float off the ground... I'll wait...

Do you know the difference between sin and gravity? I can demonstrate that gravity exists. I can see it in action, feel it working, even study a theoretical model of how it works. Not so for sin.

No?!? You mean your still bound by the laws of graveity even though you do not believe in them??? Then I wonder if your non-belief in sin will really help you float away from accountablity to it?

I doubt we're going to lose much sleep over it. After all, I don't see you fretting about all the insults you cause daily to all the other gods, by worshiping this false one that you do. They all have exactly the same nonexistent level of evidentiary support, after all.

[genkaus]

The Pastor is indeed guilt of a sin, his criminal status is not being disputed here has he has been found guilty of fraud.

My Question was not to ask you if you were guilty of a crime. I asked you would you be guilty of the same sin he was for taking money meant to do God's work and use it for his own personal gain?

If you do not want to answer the conditions of my question, know that i am not requiring you to do so. Meaning you don't need to get defensive and try and dismiss what I asked. Next time Simply remain silent, and I won't even know you read what I wrote.

I already answered the question.

If by "sin" you mean being immoral - then sure, the pastor is guilty of that. If by "sin" you mean "going against god's will" - then that's obviously a bullshit argument.

The reason why the pastor is considered immoral is because he took the church's money which should've gone for the church's work for his own personal gain. The "sin" - as you call it - would've been the same if he worked for an oil company and he took the money belonging to the company. That's the moral of the story you seem to have missed. He is not guilty of misappropriating funds meant for an imaginary god's work, he is guilty of misappropriating funds that were not his.

And this is why your question falls flat. In your example, you did not give the money to an organization I represent, you gave it to me. So, I get to do whatever I want with it.