Yet another school shooting

[wwjs]

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Please tell me it's a joke

[freedomfromforum]

Guns don't kill people; terrorists with commercial airliners kill people.
I say we ban jumbo jets!

Yes because jumbo jets were invented with the sole purpose of killing a target!

Oh wait, that tired analogy still fails doesn't it?

No. I never claimed that guns weren't designed to kill people; (they clearly were). I stated that guns (in and of themselves) don't kill people; and I alluded to the reality that a crazy person will kill with any tool they can make into a weapon. I was illuminating the fact that what someone uses as a weapon need not be designed as a weapon to be used as one.

[Brakeman]

Screw it...ban them back to black powder(pre minie ball days, preferably). Hard to conceal a 34" barreled smoothbore, and harder to hit a target. A 911 call can be responded to in the time it takes to reload as well.

Try doing that between shots of this cowboy black powder shooter.hock:

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where is the vid??

[Captain Colostomy]

Screw it...ban them back to black powder(pre minie ball days, preferably). Hard to conceal a 34" barreled smoothbore, and harder to hit a target. A 911 call can be responded to in the time it takes to reload as well.

Try doing that between shots of this cowboy black powder shooter.hock:

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where is the vid??

I remember when that first aired...homey got skills!

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Please tell me it's a joke

Why should I? Because it's impractical? How is an AK-47 'practical', other than plinking...cans and children?

No. I'm not really suggesting an impossible backpedal to the 1830's, but I think there are steps that should be taken to minimize these tragedies.

[Kayenneh]

No. I never claimed that guns weren't designed to kill people; (they clearly were). I stated that guns (in and of themselves) don't kill people; and I alluded to the reality that a crazy person will kill with any tool they can make into a weapon. I was illuminating the fact that what someone uses as a weapon need not be designed as a weapon to be used as one.

The thing is, even though you can go on a murderous rampage with a chain saw or a naginata, guns are a lot more effective.

[ITChick]

The thing is, even though you can go on a murderous rampage with a chain saw or a naginata, guns are a lot more effective.

Yep, if I ever have to face a crazy person who is trying to kill me I would much rather face a person with a knife than one with a gun.

I probably won't stand a chance either way, but if I'm with a group of people they can overpower him (while I very bravely run away )

[Brakeman]

The thing is, even though you can go on a murderous rampage with a chain saw or a naginata, guns are a lot more effective.

Don't forget to include explosives, chemicals and poisons. But I contend the worst mass murdering weapon is poverty.

[Something completely different]

You do understand that there is a difference between "trying" to do it and "doing" it?

We had 4 shootings here which were "succesfull". At one a total of 16 people were killed.

As much as you may enjoy making points out of shootings and massacres, they do happen arround the world no matter what the law says about gun control.

The only exdraordinary high number conected to gun deaths in the US is the high number of suicides in which people shot themselves, which is far higher than elsewhere.
So if anything, you can make an argument on that which is also based on reality. But concerning homicides and massacres, they are statisticaly simply not conected to the laws concerning gunownership.

[Psykhronic]

Something like half the gun deaths in the US are suicide - homicide is still in the thousands. Correct me if I'm wrong (still on my first coffee of the day). I know gun control won't stop ALL homicides, but will it reduce it significantly if done right?


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And I do think there is quite a bit of culture at play with the US gun deaths and we as a country have to cool the fuck down somehow.

[Napoléon]

I was illuminating the fact that what someone uses as a weapon need not be designed as a weapon to be used as one.

The design of a weapon/tool such as a gun directly impacts on how efficient a killing weapon it is and how easy it is to use.

You could argue that you could kill as many people if not more with a jumbo jet, but you're forgetting just how difficult it is to high-jack a jumbo jet, learn how to fly it and have the ability to direct it where you want when compared with, let's say... a pistol. That's why your analogy fails.

And if you want to use the car analogy instead, the same applies, except also car related deaths are by and large accidents, not someone wanting to go around intentionally killing school children.

All in all, the whole argument that you can use other things to cause as much damage as a gun almost always misses the point.