Trinity

[Chas]

Where is your evidence?

You are another broken record, go skip somewhere else.

GC

That's your answer? So, no evidence.

You believe in fairy tales; grow up.

[Cyberman]

Actually, G-C's set a precedent here. Next time someone asks for evidence for a bible contradiction or a scientific principle, just copy-paste his eloquent response.

[old man]

In order to begin to see and understand the truth and the meaning of truth we must first be prepared to face up to the truth about ourselves.

Do you agree with what I wrote concerning our mental state Brakeman or not?

If not, can you tell me what the first sentence is that you cannot agree with and then explain why you disagree with it?




Pride has the ability to convince a man he is better than he is when he compares himself to certain others. This pride allows him and causes him at times to regard those others with disrespect, even contempt. From such a mindset it becomes easy to dismiss the true word of others as being irrelevant, unimportant or untrue whenever their statements are seen to conflict with any of his own selfish or self-important desires and plans. Whilst his pride is in control it becomes easy for him to cheat on and lie to anyone who he does not care for, especially those who he assesses as being less important or inferior to himself. As much as he is ready to ignore the truth and deceive others for his own gain, so he becomes equally ready to ignore the truth and deceive himself into thinking how good and right he is. The half-truths and lies of others are then easily welcomed by him as absolute truth whenever they feed and reinforce his feeling of superiority and pleasure. For as much as his self first desires become his needs, so also does his cravings for more leave him more vulnerable and subject to the temptations and corruption of those most crafty and evil. Their lies become more easily accepted by him as truth and therefore become more easily woven into his memory as truth.

From such lie infested memories are man's decisions and judgements too often formed. Whatever is being reasoned and perceived as truth and reality to all who have been corrupted by pride then is all too often an illusion. This state of mind is to some degree the inherited scourge of us all, breeding contempt and hatred for the truth along with paranoia, conflict, killing and destruction, just as the history of man will clearly testify.

Hey old man, I replied to this passage in your introductions thread, I don't know if you missed it. But I've quoted it and here it is in full:

@old man, there are so many things wrong with that passage I don't even know where to start. But to begin with, your first sentence. Prove that.

Is it pride or is it reality that allows us to compare ourselves to others and form conclusions?

Pride is part of reality: Minds that have an inflated sense of personal status or accomplishments reassure themselves they are right when they are all too often wrong.

Too often they see their own conclusions superior for no good reason.

Is it not an important skill that allows us to work with others and measure up our enemies? If I believe I'm a better scientist than a friend of mine who's doing a business degree, am I being prideful or am I being honest? Without this ability to discern others' how am I to make decisions everyday? Is it prideful of me to dismiss a witch doctor's advice when I'm sick because it doesn't comply with my existing knowledge about medicine? Or is it just common sense?

Common sense, yes. But it still doesn't alter the truth that common sense has been corrupted by the spirit of pride. People everywhere too often deceive themselves through sensing they are superior when they are not.

Sorry if you still can't see this vain deceiving world staring you in the face every day.


There are some who see and are saved and there are some who were born to live and die blind and lost, and there are those satanic souls who see and still seek to corrupt, torment, and destroy what they know is good, Their endless need to bury the truth and to see the only proven conveyor of truth, corrupted tormented or destroyed can only bring endless conflict with the self and with others, and endless conflict means endless torment. This self-inflicted endless nightmare will forever serve as the ultimate warning to all creation.

After the great tribulation when evil has been allowed to run it's course and reach it's climax on earth, and after the final judgement has been made and the last sentence has been passed, then shall all creation forever know exactly where the road of pride and rebellion leads. No free and perfect mind of reason therefore (as Satan and his followers once had) will ever be so foolish as to travel down what can now be seen as the insane road of pride and rebellion and threaten creation again.

“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love” 1John 4:18

May those of us then who will be saved, who are being saved and who are saved, soon be made perfect in the Spirit of perfect love.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Hey old man, I replied to this passage in your introductions thread, I don't know if you missed it. But I've quoted it and here it is in full:

Pride is part of reality: Minds that have an inflated sense of personal status or accomplishments reassure themselves they are right when they are all too often wrong.

Too often they see their own conclusions superior for no good reason.

An inflated sense? Often it is the accurate sense of personal status. People who lack self esteem would have a diminished sense of personal status. This varies from person to person. I find your assertions to be generalizations without basis.

I could make the same claim and say that people are often unsure of themselves and don't go for things they believe in out of fear of failure. It would sound as convincing as your claim and is also a baseless assertion.

It's obvious that there are people who are very sure of themselves and then there are those who can be manipulated with a look. I fail to see what this has to do with pride and what that has to do with religion.

Is it not an important skill that allows us to work with others and measure up our enemies? If I believe I'm a better scientist than a friend of mine who's doing a business degree, am I being prideful or am I being honest? Without this ability to discern others' how am I to make decisions everyday? Is it prideful of me to dismiss a witch doctor's advice when I'm sick because it doesn't comply with my existing knowledge about medicine? Or is it just common sense?

Common sense, yes. But it still doesn't alter the truth that common sense has been corrupted by the spirit of pride. People everywhere too often deceive themselves through sensing they are superior when they are not.

Sorry if you still can't see this vain deceiving world staring you in the face every day.

In my example. You feel like I was making a decision out of pride that is not grounded in reality? Are you serious? You think I should see a witch doctor just because there's a slim chance they could be right and I could be wrong? I think you that you think too little of me, and not that I'm thinking too much of myself.

I'm sorry you think so little of yourself and others.

There are some who see and are saved and there are some who were born to live and die blind and lost, and there are those satanic souls who see and still seek to corrupt, torment, and destroy what they know is good, Their endless need to bury the truth and to see the only proven conveyor of truth, corrupted tormented or destroyed can only bring endless conflict with the self and with others, and endless conflict means endless torment. This self-inflicted endless nightmare will forever serve as the ultimate warning to all creation.

After the great tribulation when evil has been allowed to run it's course and reach it's climax on earth, and after the final judgement has been made and the last sentence has been passed, then shall all creation forever know exactly where the road of pride and rebellion leads. No free and perfect mind of reason therefore (as Satan and his followers once had) will ever be so foolish as to travel down what can now be seen as the insane road of pride and rebellion and threaten creation again.

“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love” 1John 4:18

May those of us then who will be saved, who are being saved and who are saved, soon be made perfect in the Spirit of perfect love.

I stopped reading the moment I saw the word "satanic". I think you know why.

[Tonus]

From what I understand, we do have an inherent mental self-image that is better than the reality. I don't think that's pride, at least not as inferred by religious thinking. It's just a way our minds work. After all, the person telling you that your mind is corrupted by the prideful thinking of this world is convinced that he has found the one universal truth and will be saved for his insight, unlike all of those poor schlubs who are earning an eternal punishment.

[old man]

I stopped reading the moment I saw the word "satanic". I think you know why.

I don't know why, but to enable you to carry on reading to the end I have changed the word “satanic” for “most evil”.

There are some who see and are saved and there are some who were born to live and die blind and lost, and there are those most evil souls who see and still seek to corrupt, torment, and destroy what they know is good, Their endless need to bury the truth and to see the only proven conveyor of truth, corrupted tormented or destroyed can only bring endless conflict with the self and with others, and endless conflict means endless torment. This self-inflicted endless nightmare will forever serve as the ultimate warning to all creation.

After the great tribulation when evil has been allowed to run it's course and reach it's climax on earth, and after the final judgement has been made and the last sentence has been passed, then shall all creation forever know exactly where the road of pride and rebellion leads. No free and perfect mind of reason therefore (as Satan and his followers once had) will ever be so foolish as to travel down what can now be seen as the insane road of pride and rebellion and threaten creation again.

“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love” (1John 4:18).

May those of us then who will be saved, who are being saved and who are saved, soon be made perfect in the Spirit of perfect love.

[Minimalist]

After the great tribulation when evil has been allowed to run it's course and reach it's climax on earth, and after the final judgement has been made and the last sentence has been passed, then shall all creation forever know exactly where the road of pride and rebellion leads. No free and perfect mind of reason therefore (as Satan and his followers once had) will ever be so foolish as to travel down what can now be seen as the insane road of pride and rebellion and threaten creation again.

Um. That's nothing but a pile of shit, pal. You guys have been waiting for your godboy for 2 thousand years. He ain't coming. He wasn't here the first time.

Stop wasting your life on nonsense.

[old man]

There are some who see and are saved and there are some who were born to live and die blind and lost, and there are those satanic souls who want to be damned.

[Angrboda]

Minds that have an inflated sense of personal status or accomplishments reassure themselves they are right when they are all too often wrong.

"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."

— Anais Nin

[Bad Writer]

And there are deluded fucks who abhor reality and try their hardest to drag sane, rational people along for the ride.