Trinity

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Crusades.

Crusades? Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that papal doctrine is anything like the doctrine given in the New Testament? Have you studied papal doctrine? Have you really studied the New Testament?

Papal doctrine, in case you didn't know, is like Islam in so far as it does nothing to rid us of the cause of living by lies and delusion and much to encourage it.

Just to give you some idea of the history of the Roman Catholic Church if you don't know already...


There came a time in Europe in the 16th century when enough Christians within the Roman Catholic Church were led to see how far the New Testament message had been twisted and altered by the papacy. The Reformation movement then started gaining a fast growing momentum as more and more enlightened Christians began speaking out against this corruption. But fearing the protest movement would spread throughout Europe and beyond, the established church began persecuting Protestants as they were then called. Many were tortured and put to death if they did not recant their new Reformed beliefs and stop denouncing papal doctrine. Such persecution clearly exposed the depth of the depravity of the papacy as more and more Protestants were tortured to death.

Protestants were then left with no choice but to start a new church, a 'Reformed Church', based on what they believed from reading and reasoning from the Scriptures.

So when you mention the word “Crusades” again, please try and remember who was in charge at the time and how corrupt the Roman Catholic Church was when the Crusades were being organised. Remember also that it was the continued barbaric persecution of Protestants that was largely responsible for igniting religious wars across Europe that would last for centuries.

That was history and thanks to the Reformation we are now living in more enlightened times, although I hasten to add that I am well aware of just how corrupt many Protestant preachers still are. Since the Reformation there must have been thousands of various anti-pope churches formed, and many are still as corrupt and vicious as Rome ever was, but not all; a growing number of people across the world are believing what the Word tells them, not what a vile corrupt church hierarchy tells them.


Every time I hear news reports of Roman Catholic priests who were reported for sexually abusing children, and were then allowed to remain in office by their bishops, and were eventually secretly moved to a new parish and allowed to start the whole process of child abuse over again, it only goes to prove once more that deep down nothing has really changed in the papal psyche since the church first became governed by Rome. By the time the Roman emperors finally made Christianity the state religion, the rot was well and truly setting in.

It is also interesting to note that in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in paragraph 841 it is written, 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'

You missed my point.

Your whole essay was about how allah can't be the proven conveyor of truth or something because muslims are violent. Just reminding you that your own religion is quite familiar with violence in the name of god as well. Few hundred years from now, muslims will be saying what you are saying, that those were savage times and the religion was corrupted but now they're all better and they have nothing to do with that.

You guys are all the same. You do shit because you read it from a book and you believe it's good.

[old man]

Crusades? Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that papal doctrine is anything like the doctrine given in the New Testament? Have you studied papal doctrine? Have you really studied the New Testament?

Papal doctrine, in case you didn't know, is like Islam in so far as it does nothing to rid us of the cause of living by lies and delusion and much to encourage it.

Just to give you some idea of the history of the Roman Catholic Church if you don't know already...


There came a time in Europe in the 16th century when enough Christians within the Roman Catholic Church were led to see how far the New Testament message had been twisted and altered by the papacy. The Reformation movement then started gaining a fast growing momentum as more and more enlightened Christians began speaking out against this corruption. But fearing the protest movement would spread throughout Europe and beyond, the established church began persecuting Protestants as they were then called. Many were tortured and put to death if they did not recant their new Reformed beliefs and stop denouncing papal doctrine. Such persecution clearly exposed the depth of the depravity of the papacy as more and more Protestants were tortured to death.

Protestants were then left with no choice but to start a new church, a 'Reformed Church', based on what they believed from reading and reasoning from the Scriptures.

So when you mention the word “Crusades” again, please try and remember who was in charge at the time and how corrupt the Roman Catholic Church was when the Crusades were being organised. Remember also that it was the continued barbaric persecution of Protestants that was largely responsible for igniting religious wars across Europe that would last for centuries.

That was history and thanks to the Reformation we are now living in more enlightened times, although I hasten to add that I am well aware of just how corrupt many Protestant preachers still are. Since the Reformation there must have been thousands of various anti-pope churches formed, and many are still as corrupt and vicious as Rome ever was, but not all; a growing number of people across the world are believing what the Word tells them, not what a vile corrupt church hierarchy tells them.


Every time I hear news reports of Roman Catholic priests who were reported for sexually abusing children, and were then allowed to remain in office by their bishops, and were eventually secretly moved to a new parish and allowed to start the whole process of child abuse over again, it only goes to prove once more that deep down nothing has really changed in the papal psyche since the church first became governed by Rome. By the time the Roman emperors finally made Christianity the state religion, the rot was well and truly setting in.

It is also interesting to note that in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in paragraph 841 it is written, 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'

You missed my point.

Your whole essay was about how allah can't be the proven conveyor of truth or something because muslims are violent. Just reminding you that your own religion is quite familiar with violence in the name of god as well. Few hundred years from now, muslims will be saying what you are saying, that those were savage times and the religion was corrupted but now they're all better and they have nothing to do with that.

You guys are all the same. You do shit because you read it from a book and you believe it's good.

What can I say with out repeating myself?

Freedom is the freedom to choose your reasoning or mine.

Best wishes

[Bad Writer]

What more can you say? Try some intellectual honesty, and whole slew of new thoughts and ideas will come to you.

[old man]

like I said, freedom is the freedom to choose

[Bad Writer]

like I said, freedom is the freedom to choose

You may want to rephrase your little adage by saying "Freedom is the ability to choose." That gets rid of redundancy and circularity.

But, to you, that's all freedom is? Imagine yourself as a person of power, as someone that makes decisions for other people every day. In this instance, you can make infinite decisions, but you are bound by every one of them, for they affect you and many others in the grand scheme of things. Being bound is not being free, but you can continue with this delusion if you want.

The fact is, freedom may not be as liberal with you as you'd like to think it is, but we still make of it what we can. Simply having a choice does not make us free; what we do with that choice is what makes us free (but always to a defined extent).

[Minimalist]

[old man]

like I said, freedom is the freedom to choose

You may want to rephrase your little adage by saying "Freedom is the ability to choose." That gets rid of redundancy and circularity.

But, to you, that's all freedom is? Imagine yourself as a person of power, as someone that makes decisions for other people every day. In this instance, you can make infinite decisions, but you are bound by every one of them, for they affect you and many others in the grand scheme of things. Being bound is not being free, but you can continue with this delusion if you want.

The fact is, freedom may not be as liberal with you as you'd like to think it is, but we still make of it what we can. Simply having a choice does not make us free; what we do with that choice is what makes us free (but always to a defined extent).

Before any of us can have the ability to choose between good and evil we must first know the difference between good and evil. Freedom is the freedom to choose for those of us who can see.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

like I said, freedom is the freedom to choose

Of course I can choose what reasoning I accept. That's why you're trying to convince me, otherwise we won't be having this conversation because neither of us will be able to change our minds.

????

What's the point of stating something like this?

[Bad Writer]

He's out of ideas so he resorts to platitudes.

[Minimalist]

He could be pope.