About fucking time, Saudi Arabia...

[Anomalocaris]

That's right. Irrespective of what the constitution of the United States might say, the overall impact how the collection of people who call themselves Americans comport themselves in relation to the rest of the world is what the United States actually is in the practical sense.

Those who clearly contravene the constitution of the United States is no less American, and America is no less responsible for their actions.

[TruthWorthy]

[WinterHold]

Chuck

They are less American; actually they can also lose their citizenship/nationality for good :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nada_Nadim_Prouty

Her nationality was revoked after all. Which made her "less American".


TruthWorthy

The way you write "OUR SECULAR GOVERNMENTS" just pours narcissism to extended levels, you're so full of them "secular governments" that some of them -ironically- threatens the world with nukes -or actually use them twice-, or bomb the crap out of countries then whine about "dogs of war who are loaded with grudges enough to melt mountains"..yeah "ze terrorists"..and they just forgot they bombed their countries back to the stone age for stinky oil, ironic. "OUR SECULAR GOVERNMENTS"..

About saudi practices.. ummm let's have an example shall we ?

Quran says :
Sura 7 Verse 31
( 31 )   O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess.

Saudies :



------

Quran says :
Sura 17 Verse 26, 27
( 26 )   And give the relative his right, and [also] the poor and the traveler, and do not spend wastefully.
( 27 )   Indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils, and ever has Satan been to his Lord ungrateful.

Saudies :



And after all :


Oh yes..a "secular kiss", full of "warm slippery ..." enough , ew..
Yes..

About the long propaganda you posted..

the first word I spotted was "Angola banned islam".
You mean the same angola, which is mentioned in this report ??
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/co...ers/angola

You can't be serious now ..please don't tell me it's the same angola !!
if it is, then this is mere propaganda, taken from an anti-theist, you should rise above that. Would you like to eat "kabsa" with the saudies ? bring in the brave secular president of angola who vomits corruption on breakfast too.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The Jewish Babylonian Talmud says that they're good to go at any age.  And the age of consent was seven in Delaware in 1895.  It used to be ten in California.  Slave owners didn't have to worry about such things.

Too bad this issue with Islam is persistent today.

They are about a century behind.  It's a minor thing in the scheme of things.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Hahahahaahaha ^__^




That happened in Saudi Arabia during "Haj"; and the guy in blue camo is from the Saudi law enforcement/Army. The guy who got slapped is a foreigner who came to practice Haj.
That happens in their streets, during the holiest days in the years ^_^. Do you think for real that they will apply a law against domestic violence ?
They only "pay the right media group" to "broadcast a big fat lie" to the kingdom a better name internationally. 

This is a tribal society that disbelieved in Islam from a long time, yet keeps hiding behind it to collect the income of the Haj (millions pay to visit the holy mosque). This is a tribal society that tells people to worship the king.
Too sad you don't get their language.

Do you see the hell that Muslims reached ?
And still, you'll find ignorant people thinking I'm "crazy" when I say : lots of Muslims abandoned their faith & Quran a long while ago..

I'm not laughing because I like any of the above. Inside I cry, in both agony and irony. But don't believe these Saudies, ever. And don't insult Islam by saying they're Muslims.

So the Arabs don't believe in their own ethnocentric religious fairy tale but all of the other dummies do.  It's just like the ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale in that respect.

[TruthWorthy]

TruthWorthy

The way you write "OUR SECULAR GOVERNMENTS" just pours narcissism to extended levels, you're so full of them "secular governments" that some of them -ironically- threatens the world with nukes -or actually use them twice-, or bomb the crap out of countries then whine about "dogs of war who are loaded with grudges enough to melt mountains"..yeah "ze terrorists"..and they just forgot they bombed their countries back to the stone age for stinky oil, ironic. "OUR SECULAR GOVERNMENTS"..

There is a healthy sort of pride (and I suppose it's not entirely dissimilar to the sort you experience), that of accomplishment. It is something like understanding the world for what it truly is and thus improving you understanding. It is the realisation that a long held belief has been erroneously taken for granted to be the truth. And so it is with religious belief, and our secular state and legal system. I can undoubtedly state that it is better than a theocracy because it has logical foundations. As I stated, in my last post, muslims are deprived of logic of contradiction (accepted around the world for its incisiveness, reasoning, truth deriving qualities); unlike the logic of dualism which basically can't establish an issue with contradiction (yes, the coran is actually full of them), and is unable to divide any untruth from the system of negotiation it's based upon. Basically that means we have to take a statistical analysis (for appeasing simpletons - for want of a better understanding), and ascertain a conclusion based on that - for example, in the same way the coran is 3% peaceful, while 97% violent. I could draw a conclusion that between the argument whether the coran is peaceful or violent, it is extremely violent. The peaceful aspects are negligible.

About saudi practices.. ummm let's have an example shall we ?

coran says :
Sura 7 Verse 31
( 31 )   O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess.

Sura 17 Verse 26, 27
( 26 )   And give the relative his right, and [also] the poor and the traveler, and do not spend wastefully.
( 27 )   Indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils, and ever has Satan been to his Lord ungrateful.

Saudi royals are criticised and appreciated by the muslim community. You choose to use them as an example of abuse of wealth and therefore not aligned with Islam in one instance while in another you embrace their wealth for jihadist operations (which you obviously are less prone to disclose publicly but which the gratitude is ever prevalent by the recipients). You quietly praise them and openly disrespect some of their practices. You aren't attacking them but the practices they're committing, right?

About your excellent 'fascist cult of Islam post'
the first word I spotted was "Angola banned islam".
... bring in the brave secular president of angola who vomits corruption on breakfast too.

Quite!
Actually, I did make a slight error in that part. Angola government simply hasn't recognised Islams legal status and for other reasons relating to scriptural alignment and fundamental beliefs and practices deems it a sect. The mosques which were destroyed were simply built without any sort of permission.

I apologise to everyone for the misinformation. I would always prefer the truth over lies...
Being that this is the only argument you've staked against my post, we shall all presume you accept the remainder to be true and correct.

Too bad this issue with Islam is persistent today.

They are about a century behind.  It's a minor thing in the scheme of things.

I highly doubt a century would bring them up to speed with the rest of the world (which puts them much further back than maybe even 500 years), because even with the example being set by the rest of the world, the muslim world is not only unwilling but unable to change. They'll follow their hadith to the bitter end of their civilisation (of course along with the coran) as one hadith says 'innovation is a mistake..'.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[TruthWorthy]

[WinterHold]

[Thumpalumpacus]

By that concept, we can consider the American constitution -for example- prop for the nationalist cult called "America" which injects fear into its followers -from imprisonment- to follow in a certain system of tax paying & eternal work, while building a corral around them composed of law-enforcement individuals to prohibit them from doing such matters -such as smoking marijuana-, with the penalty of termination if the resisted, or jail and economical fines if they were caught carrying it or smuggling it.

Following your concept now, I renounce all countries as cults, having constitution as one of their props, identical in function & identical in all appearance (i.e the USA is the same as Saudi Arabia, China is the same as France)..

This is an idiotic comparison. Surely you can tighten up your thinking and spot your error yourself.