(September 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm)searching4truth Wrote: John... you can't use a creation source to prove your argument. That's like using the Bible to prove the Bible or a Harry Potter novel to prove Hogwarts is a real place. This theory of yours just isn't going to stretch.Who's trying to prove anything? I mentioned YEC models, you asked for a source, I googled and found one.
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I have a question about noah's flood.
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You brought up the YEC models to justify the possibility for the world-wide flood. I did ask for a source but one that justifies your viewpoint front the perspective of the creationist side of the fence isn't applicable to your side of the debate in an unbiased manner
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Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (September 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm)John V Wrote:(September 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm)searching4truth Wrote: John... you can't use a creation source to prove your argument. That's like using the Bible to prove the Bible or a Harry Potter novel to prove Hogwarts is a real place. This theory of yours just isn't going to stretch.Who's trying to prove anything? I mentioned YEC models, you asked for a source, I googled and found one. Well if Noah's flood happened then how did the fish survive.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  (September 28, 2013 at 6:02 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(September 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm)John V Wrote: Who's trying to prove anything? I mentioned YEC models, you asked for a source, I googled and found one. Magic! ![[Image: 10314461_875206779161622_3907189760171701548_n.jpg]](https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10314461_875206779161622_3907189760171701548_n.jpg)
John, just so we're clear, are you standing by the ICR source that you cited? If not, if you disagree with it in part or in entirety, what was to be gained by citing it? We all know what creationist sources are out there - and some of them are more out there than others - so if it was your intention simply to present one of the more batshit propaganda mills as a prime example of that fine breed, it would be helpful to say as much.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
What, a magic dragon did it?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: I have a question about noah's flood.
September 29, 2013 at 8:15 am
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(September 28, 2013 at 6:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote: so if it was your intention simply to present one of the more batshit propaganda mills as a prime example of that fine breed, it would be helpful to say as much.Your negative spin notwithstanding, yes, the context shows that's what I was doing. I clearly said that YEC models include a certain feature, and then was asked for a source. The plain reading of the request was for a creationist source. I thought he perhaps might want to actually know something about the position. If you do so, you can still claim lack of proof, and also not be arguing against the Mt. Everest straw man. I'm actually helping you. As far as I'm concerned, it's unnecessary to make naturalistic explanations for supernatural events.
Thanks for clearing that up. On your last point, I fully agree with you. In fact I'd go a step further and say it's not just unnecessary to make naturalistic explanations for supernatural events, it's also misguided when the whole aim of the exercise is to explain in natural terms how a god interacts with the Universe. People who do that always have one hand on the big red ejector seat button labelled "magic" and they're never afraid to hit it at the first sign that their naturalistic explanation is taking a nosedive.
By a similar token, it's unjustified to leap instantly to a supernatural explanation while there are natural ones still on the table, and to cry foul when those natural explanations get mentioned.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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