If these resident theists really talk to god..

[Drich]

Drich, I have stated to the staff that I do not think what you said was a violation of the rules,

Then what was the warning from stimbo for? Is the staff allowed to 'formally warn' of non rule violations?

but rest assured, it was a violation of human decency.

Which again is not apart of the rules on this web site.
Which means 'Human decency' seems to only works in the favor of the atheist, but not the theist, or was their disiplinary action against those who told me I should have died?

I understand you intend to push the envelope,

Not just that, but in this case specifically to get you all to think outside the box you've placed yourselves in. For most of you, Fidel specifically think in only one direction. You guys toute yourselves as thinkers, but when prompted to actually think outside your comfort zones you all fall apart, and default to circling the wagons and defend ground that is proven to be worthless.

Look at the back and forth Last Poet and I are having... This behaivor is typical example of just about every other discourse I have concerning a precept of God with anyone here. Even after the person's position is shown to be withoout merrit, it is still defended.

Every now and a again i like to go off traditional topics to demonstrate this behaivor.

It's not about 'prrof.' you all have oppertunity of proof, like with my breaking all 6 rules of preaching.. It's about defending what you believe no matter what proof is or is not avaiable. you all look for loop holes rather than simply following facts.

and you feel as if you are on a mission from god(cue the Blues Brothers).

But that doesn't mean you have to be a total cunt about it.

As mentioned in a post a few mins ago. my 'cuntiness' is a direct result of the effort put in by the person I am speaking to.

Remember that you have beliefs, that's it. You do not wield the truth; you merely believe you do. So, take a step back and try to understand how people will perceive what you say, and realize that good communication means not making dick statements that will cause a person to reel back in horror.

Again where was this a month ago when it was my head on the chopping block?

Jesus will be awfully pissed if he has to send some souls to hell because you can't understand that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

what I said was inherriantly netural. It was neither vinegar nor Honey. It was fly paper, It trapped anyone and everyone looking for something to argue.

I did not say anyone was going to hell. I only point to the truth We all die, and especially if we die 'early' we tend to cling to life a little harder. which would lead a normal man to cry out to God.

The over all point here was to have Fidel think on the fact that he could not possiably know what his dad thinks when he is not around. When it is just his dad staring into eternity. Those who have looked out over eternity/look at death because it was on a near horizon, share an experience those who haven't would have a hard time seriously understanding. That experience has one examine ALL possiablities, not just the philosphy one takes when he is healthy, and wants to have a 3some. Fidel may know who his father projects himself to be, but only God and fidel's father know who he really is.

That is what was said, none of which should be offensive to anyone who does not have a chip on his shoulder.

If you truly feel that there statements made towards you that were a violation that you didn't bait them into saying, send them to me in a PM, and the staff will go over them.

Again no violations because there are no rules governing human decency on this website. If one brings up a topic or shares something person then that person damn well better be prepaired to feed it to the meat grinder. This practice should be for everyone here not just Christians!!

It sickens me to see how thinned skinned you people are compared to the crap you shovel out on to those who do not believe as you do.

For me the comment about Fidel father was nothing because just about every sigle member of my family has been heavily scrutinized here by you people. why? because i offered them up for discussion, just like fidel offered up his own father. I see no difference in what I did to proove a point that what he orginally did when he offered up his father's cancer as a way to cement in his own points.

[LastPoet]

Again no violations because there are no rules governing human decency on this website. If one brings up a topic or shares something person then that person damn well better be prepaired to feed it to the meat grinder. This practice should be for everyone here not just Christians!!

Really? The persecution card?

You can't see warnings issued to others, how can you know we warn christians more than atheists?

[Jackalope]

Oh, and it's 'cue' in this context.

Oh, for fucks sake, you're absolutely right. I blame the (lack of) caffeine content in my morning cup.

[Jackalope]

Again no violations because there are no rules governing human decency on this website.

Atheist Forums reserves the right to enforce the following rules as the staff sees fit. This disclaimer is for the sake of allowing the spirit of the rules to trump any literal interpretation of the rules.

You lose.

[Jackalope]

Drich, I have stated to the staff that I do not think what you said was a violation of the rules,

Then what was the warning from stimbo for? Is the staff allowed to 'formally warn' of non rule violations?

A quorum was met. FNM's dissent came after the fact.

This may come as a complete surprise to you, but staff decisions are not always unanimous.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I understand you intend to push the envelope,

Not just that, but in this case specifically to get you all to think outside the box you've placed yourselves in. For most of you, Fidel specifically think in only one direction. You guys toute yourselves as thinkers, but when prompted to actually think outside your comfort zones you all fall apart, and default to circling the wagons and defend ground that is proven to be worthless.

There is no box. Not believing in un-evidenced claims Is not a restriction unless you're you. We don't believe in your claims because they are based on personal faith and belief, not on verifiable evidence. This has been explained to you a billion times, so I don't expect you to understand it now, but for posterity, I've written it out again.

When you say 'I think in one direction', I have literally no clue what you mean. I presume its about claims of deities existing. I only believe claims that evidence to back them up. If that's one directional thinking, then I embrace the term readily.

I am sorry if people have been saying you should die. But to be fair, the initial post I responded to quoted you wanting to pray for people to have cancer and all sorts of other illnesses.

And here's the crux of the issue, that this entire exchange revolves around. It doesn't matter that we don't believe any of the silliness that you do, and it doesn't matter that we know you praying for people to get cancer does nothing.

It's the fact that you would even consider doing this just to [try and] prove a point. That's sociopathic behavior, drich, and the sign of someone with serious problems.

For me, this entire exchange is done with. I'm not offended. I don't get offended. You've shown your true character to the entire forum, but the funny thing is, you still don't even realise how disagreeable said character is.

[Cyberman]

Then what was the warning from stimbo for? Is the staff allowed to 'formally warn' of non rule violations?

It was not a warning from me - it was a warning from a Staff quorum consensus. All opinions are considered in these matters. You give me too much credit in the influence I wield.

We have to assess each report on a case by case merit. The Staff have the right to determine how the rules are to be interpreted in each case.

For me the comment about Fidel father was nothing because just about every sigle member of my family has been heavily scrutinized here by you people. why? because i offered them up for discussion, just like fidel offered up his own father. I see no difference in what I did to proove a point that what he orginally did when he offered up his father's cancer as a way to cement in his own points.

And that's the heart of the problem. You see nothing wrong with your behaviour, even when it's brought to your attention. Instead of recognising that you crossed a line and having a chance to step away with a little dignity, you still persist with the persecution attitude. Have some shame, sir.

[Minimalist]

Drippy? Dignity??

Be serious.

[Drich]

Very well, since you have no capacity to assess your own words:

- Includes a threat if a particular statement is not agreed with.

When the blackness consumes him, he will cry out maybe not to you, but to God. Rest assured every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.

Here, you are threathing people with suffering for not conforming to your beliefs

Where is the threat?
Maybe you do not understand the defination of the term being discussed.
1threat noun \ˈthret\ : a statement saying you will be harmed if you do not do what someone wants you to do

- Fails to justify said threat with evidence.
Your bible is not evidence for the threat above.

Again you failed to identify a threat, no threat= No need to justify it.

- Is repetitive.
You already did this line of rethoric here.

seriously? 1)Your quoting something that happened a Month ago. 2) what I said there does not apply here. It was quoted by Equlax in post number 46 to which in 47 Fidel responded. If the material sounds familair it is because I am reinforcing a subject matter that both fidel and equlax is questioning. Not exaclt repetive if two seperate atheist members of this forum discussing this month old topic is it?

- Directed at forum members, rather than a general description of beliefs.
Wll you deny that it was directed at Fidel?

Yep.

I know he didn't complain, but that does not make you less responsible.

Nor should he he brought his Father into this.

- Uses negative connotations.
Hell, if saying "you will see on your deathbed!" ain't negative then I don't know what it is.

Where did I speak of Hell? I said 'darkness'=Death. Everyone dies. again how is that negitive? Did i wish death onto his father? No. the only thing I am guilt of is not respecting the boundry fidel erected by using his father's situation as a human shield. Which to me is a disturbing practice and will be called here each and every time I see one of you do it! You put it on this board it is fair game for discussion. Every shared aspect of my life has been scrutinized, and ripped apart by you people. i expect no quarter and non shall be given if the situation calls for it.

- Is not in response to a query regarding personal beliefs.
You were not asked what you think of Fidel or his father.

He presented his father's situation as proof of his assertion. At that point his father's situation was open for questioning/challenges.

[Cyberman]

Point is, Drich, you could simply have said "oh dear, I'm sorry to hear about your father" and let it drop. That's what normal, decent folk do. There was no need to use that very specific and personal information that Fidel was trusting enough to share with us as an opportunity to tell us that "every knee shall bow" when we're on our deathbeds.