If these resident theists really talk to god..

[Lemonvariable72]

All the ones that missluckie posted. Now I want proof of your illness and proof that god cured you.

I'm not giving you nor anyone else anything that identifies me to you. You have my word, take it or leave it. Why? Because none of it means anything to you anyway. You only want to see if I can produce something that will silence you, and most of you will speak foolishly anyway. If that is the case then assume I can not and move on. God does not provide the absolute 'proof' for any of you either, at least not before your willing to humble yourselves before him first. Otherwise it is God speaks and you can take it or leave it. I think that is a pretty smart philosophy, so I will be following suit.

If you learn to humble yourselves before God and accept Christ as your savior I will show you all the proof I have. I will show you personal pictures and let you look at what is left of the 100 scares on my arms and shoulders. I'll introduce you to my parents and let you speak to them, my sisters let you speak to them. Ill introduce you to the preacher who ministered to me during this period in my life.

If you never accept Christ then you have my word to go on. Take it or leave it. it makes absolutly no difference to me.

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And this is what you consider a near death experience?

No.

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I call bullshit on your claim. If it is was true you'd be the second man ever and there would articles on it that you would have linked long ago. So proof that this happened and it was gods work or shut the fuck up you full of shit little asshole.

This happened in the mid to late 90s I might have been the first. Who knows because back then it was just considered a false positive no matter what the situation was. because back then confirmed aids was always a death sentence. No matter what. (Unless you were magic Johnson and had press and money.)

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I call bullshit on your claim. If it is was true you'd be the second man ever and there would articles on it that you would have linked long ago. So proof that this happened and it was gods work or shut the fuck up you full of shit little asshole.

This happened in the mid to late 90s I might have been the first. Who knows because back then it was just considered a false positive no matter what the situation was. because back then confirmed aids was always a death sentence. No matter what. (Unless you were magic Johnson and had press and money.)

So what suddenly changes if we accept Jesus? I was a Christian most of my life and prayed daily for years and do you know what evidence I got, when I followed Luke 11 and prayed about it for months I got nothing.
And drich how dare you speak for my intentions, for I simply want to see if you claim is true. You give me no reason to think it is.

[Beta Ray Bill]

If you don't want to read a life story, skip this, but I hope Drich reads it.

When I was a teenager, I developed epilepsy. I was super-religious and went to church every Sunday. As I got older, my epilepsy got worse and worse. Granted, I didn't go to church because I had a weekend job. Eventually, I got so sick I couldn't work anymore, and I was scared to death of God punishing me eith seizures. Then I started meditating and studying Buddhism. My fear of God weakened, and my seizures lightened up signifcantly. I began taking less and less medicine. Eventually, I gave up Buddhism and became a complete atheist. My illness lightened up even more.

What's the point of my telling my life story? To show Drich that faith isn't necessary to overcome a disease. Do I still have seizures? Yes, but they aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be. Having faith in myself helped me, not faith in some supreme being. Are atheists perfect? No, they are only human, just like Christians. Drich, you fon't need faith in a god to save yourself, just live life to the best of your abilities, and good things will happen to you. And bad things, too. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't favor anyone, no matter what they believe.

[Mystical]

Cue *you didn't do it right and *not a true christian, explanations to sweep you under his rug.

[Zazzy]

just live life to the best of your abilities, and good things will happen to you. And bad things, too. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't favor anyone, no matter what they believe.

Perfectly said, therefore worth quoting.

[Lemonvariable72]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

[Mystical]

[Drich]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

You new so I will be happy to say this for the thousandth time. The things that happened to me, they all add up for proof for ME. Not you. I am only relaying these things to show you that God is ready willing and able to provide you with exactly what you need to establish and maintain a real working relationship with you this is what I needed among a great number of other traumatic things to get my hard atheist heart back on track. When you a/s/k Youre asking for your own relationship with Him. But I took it a step further, and told God to do whatever it takes to change me the way I needed to be changed.

That is what got me I trouble last time. Because I offered to pray the very same prayer that I prayed for myself that I believe left me infected with AIDS, and pray it on you're Alls behalf. To have God do what ever it takes to establish and maintain a strong relationship with Him. To rip out whatever is in your heart keeping you from him. Whether it be health, wealth or a specific loved one. To take whatever from you that you prize the most and keep it. So that it may change whatever need be changed in your life so that you may have a deep and strong relationship with Him.

But again the worshipers of life and self, saw this as a blaspheme against pop morality and 'human decency' (one of many thousands of unforgivable sins a Christian can commit against soceity/non Christians ) and was told to die for it. Which now brings us back full circle.

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If you don't want to read a life story, skip this, but I hope Drich reads it.

When I was a teenager, I developed epilepsy. I was super-religious and went to church every Sunday. As I got older, my epilepsy got worse and worse. Granted, I didn't go to church because I had a weekend job. Eventually, I got so sick I couldn't work anymore, and I was scared to death of God punishing me eith seizures. Then I started meditating and studying Buddhism. My fear of God weakened, and my seizures lightened up signifcantly. I began taking less and less medicine. Eventually, I gave up Buddhism and became a complete atheist. My illness lightened up even more.

What's the point of my telling my life story? To show Drich that faith isn't necessary to overcome a disease. Do I still have seizures? Yes, but they aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be. Having faith in myself helped me, not faith in some supreme being. Are atheists perfect? No, they are only human, just like Christians. Drich, you fon't need faith in a god to save yourself, just live life to the best of your abilities, and good things will happen to you. And bad things, too. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't favor anyone, no matter what they believe.

When I was very young my mother was a Buddhist, and I had seizures. Really bad ones. I actually remember them. They would start as a slight tremor in a little toe. Almost like so e one grabbed my little toe and began to shake me ever so slightly at first and then more and more violently. Till I woke up with everyone holding me down. I even got to ride on a fire truck once because I swallowed my tongue, and they could not clear it properly...

The moral of my story. Sickness is sometimes just sickness, with nor rhyme or reason to it. What made my aids meaningful was I asked for an oppertunity to connect to God more deeply. Then my world ended, leaving only me and God in it. Thus answered prayer.

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Cue *you didn't do it right and *not a true christian, explanations to sweep you under his rug.

I have no idea whether or not your a true Christian. Not my concern. My concern is to relay my story where ever I think it may help some one.

[max-greece]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

Can I just argue the flipside on this one.

When arguments like this come up I have to ask myself the question - would I lie about something like this?

The answer is no.

I will not, therefore, assume that someone else would. To do this is to accept Christian thinking (everyone is basically a savage without Jesus).

I therefore accept Drich's claim that he had aids and further surmise that he is in remission.

Here's the thing: Remission is something medicine does not really understand (a bit like the placebo affect).

So we have Drich in remission and he thinks God did it.

Lets say you manage to persuade him otherwise. Then his aids returns and he dies - but you won the argument on the internet - right?

To me its not worth the victory, but that's just me.

[Lemonvariable72]

I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

You new so I will be happy to say this for the thousandth time. The things that happened to me, they all add up for proof for ME. Not you. I am only relaying these things to show you that God is ready willing and able to provide you with exactly what you need to establish and maintain a real working relationship with you this is what I needed among a great number of other traumatic things to get my hard atheist heart back on track. When you a/s/k Youre asking for your own relationship with Him. But I took it a step further, and told God to do whatever it takes to change me the way I needed to be changed.

That is what got me I trouble last time. Because I offered to pray the very same prayer that I prayed for myself that I believe left me infected with AIDS, and pray it on you're Alls behalf. To have God do what ever it takes to establish and maintain a strong relationship with Him. To rip out whatever is in your heart keeping you from him. Whether it be health, wealth or a specific loved one. To take whatever from you that you prize the most and keep it. So that it may change whatever need be changed in your life so that you may have a deep and strong relationship with Him.

But again the worshipers of life and self, saw this as a blaspheme against pop morality and 'human decency' (one of many thousands of unforgivable sins a Christian can commit against soceity/non Christians ) and was told to die for it. Which now brings us back full circle.

Dude, your religion has you mind so twisted that you prayed for your god to torture people so that they will believe as you do. I do not care about pop morality whatever the hell that is and I live by the golden rule and moral utilitarianism.
Now you want to know what I think of your god? He is a lying hypocrite that holds humans in a complete double standard. Humans can't kill, but he can, he tells humans not to kill the son for the fathers sin but he does, he told the prophets tyre would be destroyed, but it wasn't sacrificing the little boy is a no no but the little girl, let her burn. He also extorts money and cattle from the isrealites on the threat of genocide. And as for his, he died to cover the thousand year old game hod played with eve and thought beating your slaves was fine. And paul is a sexist pig. That all leads me to think that your god is nothing then the imagining of some violent and ignorant men that wanted to control people. There is much evidence( most covered here daily and in a previous post.) I am right and none I am wrong. So there it is you with the warped morality not me, as if your god is not real ( he is a believable as the easter bunny) your morality was simply made up by a bunch of ignorant pigs and in your case it shows.
And BTW fuck you and your prayer.

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I also want to add something drich. If your not willing to provide any evidence of your illness, then why do you pass it as evidence of god? Do you think people will take your word for such a claim. I would never expect people to just take my word for something like that.

Can I just argue the flipside on this one.

When arguments like this come up I have to ask myself the question - would I lie about something like this?

The answer is no.

I will not, therefore, assume that someone else would. To do this is to accept Christian thinking (everyone is basically a savage without Jesus).

I therefore accept Drich's claim that he had aids and further surmise that he is in remission.

Here's the thing: Remission is something medicine does not really understand (a bit like the placebo affect).

So we have Drich in remission and he thinks God did it.

Lets say you manage to persuade him otherwise. Then his aids returns and he dies - but you won the argument on the internet - right?

To me its not worth the victory, but that's just me.

I think a bit different. Some people just because they can, it is ridiculous but for some it is a high. Therefore I ask for evidence and would expect the same in reverse

[Drich]