Is god really omniscient?

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

Frailties such as being wrathful, envious, narcissistic, judgemental and hypocritical?

You are correct. That would a gross misrepresentation of the biblical depiction of god.

[Kayenneh]

Tkcjpii, you have had a PM waiting for you for three hours now. Read it.

[Ryantology]

You atheitards are so idiotic. You claim an all powerful omniscient being, creator of the universe would be subject to such human frailties as boredom, suicidal, need to learn(???), paranoia about not staying current? Idiocy. Simpletons! God doesn't even exit In time. He is outside that limitation. He knows where every electron or quark or photon of energy will ever be. Much more importantly he knows where your heart will turn, hopefully to him.

He is subject to anger, pettiness, hate, jealousy, envy, cruelty and negative manipulative behavior.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

God expresses every single human asshole quality. He's an omnicuntface.

[Lemonvariable72]

You atheitards are so idiotic. You claim an all powerful omniscient being, creator of the universe would be subject to such human frailties as boredom, suicidal, need to learn(???), paranoia about not staying current? Idiocy. Simpletons! God doesn't even exit In time. He is outside that limitation. He knows where every electron or quark or photon of energy will ever be. Much more importantly he knows where your heart will turn, hopefully to him.

We don't claim this, your bible does.

[Einharjar]

When I used to study the Bible back in the day, I always afforded those terms ("omni" and "al" prefixes) some leniency based on the individuals that translated the scriptures into word. These tales were written from a folk that at their time, it was standard to use "A thousand times!" as meaning "incomprehensible amount!". Obviously, there are numbers FAR FRIGGIN' BIGGER than A thousand, such as the "googolplex". However it is unlikely that those writing the words were truelove aware of the logic that goes behind something that is deemed the "infinite" of anything they attribute "infinity" to.

I mean, if one is to take it to pure common sense, all that "God" is supposed to be "infinite" about would make this being, none-existent anyway. If he is all knowing? Then that means he is literally, all information possible and might as well be the universe itself.
If he is timeless? Then clearly he doesn't react with Space Time and, cannot be in our universe at all (because any all knowing God would know that his meddling in our universe would probably break our laws of physics and destroy it).
If he is almighty, then supposedly he will always be more powerful than any conceivable thing we know, but because the universe is balanced in it's amounts of mass and energy (neither of which can be created NOR destroyed)? Couldn't contain him with in and again, he's forced to exist outside our universe looking in, unable to do anything.

The contradictions in the Bible pile up horrendously, especially when a skeptic looks at the scriptures and takes them too literally. I know it's annoying that, from a Theological standpoint, Christians can simply wave a magic wand and go "well, it may not have meant that entirely" but their point of view is actually legitimate at times. I myself saw this when I was a Christian, seeing that most of the Bible is poetically and artistically written. It's practically made for a Bard's work. You can chant scripture from easy memory, and in certain tongues it chimes will with rhythm and repetitiveness to make it easily learnt by those whom are listening. Thus the "verses" are very convenient.

However now that I've said that, I'd love to read the "Literal, static version" of a the Bible.
-In the beginning of Space Time, a Being without concept of time as it was timeless birthed with the universe, concepts of thought, purpose and meaning. Oh, and then it sharted light. It felt good. And so it rested the first day-
-On the second day, it just realized it was calling it's period prior to it's rest a "day". Thought that was awesome and realized it was now affected by time and began gaining in age. Damn. That sucks. And it rested the second day-
-On the third day, the being suddenly knew all that was to pass and will be, and so out of both malice and love, created the world; but stopped half way for some cheese cake. It thought "mm, cheese cake is good" and rested the third day-
-On the fourth day, it came to it's consciousness as soon as it realized it was crapping out planets, stars, moons, nebulae and galaxies and thus, had to find a safe place for this "Eden" because dark matter kept pushing crap together and dark energy kept pushing things away. So it nestled tiny little Eden within the Orion Arm of the Milkyway, next to a Star that it knew wouldn't blow it's cork for the next 14 Billion years or so and called it good. It then needed to take a leak, and made the Oceans. The urination was indeed good, and it rested the fourth day-
-On the fifth day, animal babies were popping up all over the planet surface. It grew wearisome of attempting to control boundless population issues so it created a single Human in his image; which by the way was rather pointless since this image was clearly limited to the confines of 100 Trillion Cells that would only use about 2,500 calories of energy per "cycle". After created the one man, it named it "Adam", realized it fudged up biology when ever it remember all mammals start out as females during conception and rested the fifth day pissed off that it would have to share it's beer with this lonely douche bag.-
-On the sixth day, it saw that Adam was not doing his job at population control because he was all AFI Emo about being the only Tard on the planet. It felt some what sorry, but it knew it was to make this mistake that really wasnt a mistake because it really meant to happen because it was foreseen because IT, knows everything. And thus, it created another Man, but with Boobs and a Vagina; everything a Man like Adam needed, and a reason to make sure Adam didn't drink too much of it's beer. In his last drunken stupor, Adam called his new mate, Eve, as he was last saying "do you even lift?" before he passed out right around the "even" part. It thought that was some funny shit, and went to rest for the sixth day.-
-On the seventh day, it knew that Man would come realize it's existence within their imagination as "God", a being of omnipotent existence that clearly cannot exist but does because it is everything. God then remembered the rabbits were breeding too quickly and saw that Adam and Even were instead BOTH stealing God's booze and using it to stupify themselves into 6 hours sex frenzies. God threw his omnipowerful and large hands up in the Time Space, and said "fuck it, today is the Sabbath. Sleep, and keep it Holy. And find a room, damn it". God saw the bed was good, rested on the 7th day.-

I'd read that.

[Minimalist]

How did Paul fail?

"Saul" dummy, not "Paul."

The reference is to Post #12.

[Esquilax]

That's your best rebuttal? No intelligent counterargument? Typical.

Tlipoca- I'm calling you Tlipoca now, though it's better than you deserve- do you really think that a reply to a post that began with the term "atheitards," is asking for any kind of counterargument?

Why not try supporting your bland, twee christian nonsense with some evidence, instead of insults?

[Ryantology]

The contradictions in the Bible pile up horrendously, especially when a skeptic looks at the scriptures and takes them too literally. I know it's annoying that, from a Theological standpoint, Christians can simply wave a magic wand and go "well, it may not have meant that entirely" but their point of view is actually legitimate at times. I myself saw this when I was a Christian, seeing that most of the Bible is poetically and artistically written. It's practically made for a Bard's work. You can chant scripture from easy memory, and in certain tongues it chimes will with rhythm and repetitiveness to make it easily learnt by those whom are listening. Thus the "verses" are very convenient.

That would be fine, if the world accepted it as the work of fiction it is, but when this book is used as an instruction manual for 2.5 billion people on how to live their lives (and to mistrust and convert the rest), when it has a real and serious impact on the entire world, it loses the privilege of being read as a work of poetic prose. Nothing less than the cold knife of literal interpretation is acceptable. We would never stand for allowing our governments to write laws which impact our lives in such a style, and there's a good reason for that.

[Einharjar]

That's the thing, fictitious or not, the bible is more of a code than anything else that uses the "lead by example approach. Surely we atheists don't take Napoleon Bonaparte seriously when he said "an army marches on its stomach" do we? No. We know he is refering to logistical effects of military activities, in which you could describe any number of ways. Hell we can do this ourselves. "The soldier is never far from his oxen", "the oil and sheath always trail thy sword, where ever it may strike", "there is no smoking gun without a cold bullet to load it".
Of course I'm not saying its accurate to historical reference but, consider how people back then may have tried writing about air craft shooting AMRAAMs. Spears of fire with the guile of a hawk? You can word practically anything into literary art and in the end, have it only mean "just don't send you troops out without supplies, dummy" as a moral code of practice, not an actual record. And this is how theist whome are being criticized will usually react. It didn't matter if David and Goliath actually happened, what matters is the moral of the story. That's what I'm tryi g to get at. Omnipotent or not, all that matters to the biblical view is that God is supposed to be greater than man. End of story. Thus when we are arguing against that, they find it easy to beat around the bush when we ask for statistical evidence of just how omnipotent this God is.

[Tonus]

Simpletons! God doesn't even exit In time.

Last guy out the door, eh? I know the type.