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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 2:24 am
(September 26, 2013 at 2:18 am)max-greece Wrote: A truly omniscient being would probably be suicidal. What would there be to live for if you knew everything that had happened, everything that was happening now and everything that was going to happen.
How would that being get up in the morning? What would it have to look forward to?
To me said being is cursed beyond measure.
You assume god is curious. An omniscient being has no need to be curious, because it already knows everything, so curiosity would not be advantageous.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 2:25 am
Why didn't "god" know that Saul would fuck up?
Quote:10-11 Then God spoke to Samuel: “I’m sorry I ever made Saul king. He’s turned his back on me. He refuses to do what I tell him.”
1 Sam 15
How can an omniscient being be "sorry?" Why didn't he know that Saul would let him down before he ever appointed him? WTF did he not appoint someone who would not let him down?
For a "god" this guy comes across as a real asshole.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 2:29 am
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(September 26, 2013 at 2:25 am)Minimalist Wrote: For a "god" this guy comes across as a real asshole.
I am unaware of any cultural god that is perfect. Which is understandable, considering they were all created by man who created the gods in his own image.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 2:32 am
(September 26, 2013 at 2:24 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: (September 26, 2013 at 2:18 am)max-greece Wrote: A truly omniscient being would probably be suicidal. What would there be to live for if you knew everything that had happened, everything that was happening now and everything that was going to happen.
How would that being get up in the morning? What would it have to look forward to?
To me said being is cursed beyond measure.
You assume god is curious. An omniscient being has no need to be curious, because it already knows everything, so curiosity would not be advantageous.
If he made us in his image wouldn't he have to be?
How do we end up in these conversations? I am now attributing emotions and such to a being that doesn't exist.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 2:32 am
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2013 at 2:34 am by Lemonvariable72.)
(September 26, 2013 at 2:21 am)Godschild Wrote: (September 26, 2013 at 1:56 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If a being was convinced it was omniscient, then how could it be aware of what it does not know?It was convinced of such, then how could it ever learn anything? If it can't learn how does it stay all knowing?
You must be describing yourself, you know, never learning and knowing very little, because you believe you know all.
 GC
Boy you clearly do not know me at all, I just conceded the point above, and I do not think myself very smart at all. Hell I spell like a five year old on these forums, and I miss key words in sentences a lot to.
(September 26, 2013 at 2:25 am)Minimalist Wrote: Why didn't "god" know that Saul would fuck up?
Quote:10-11 Then God spoke to Samuel: “I’m sorry I ever made Saul king. He’s turned his back on me. He refuses to do what I tell him.”
1 Sam 15
How can an omniscient being be "sorry?" Why didn't he know that Saul would let him down before he ever appointed him? WTF did he not appoint someone who would not let him down?
For a "god" this guy comes across as a real asshole.
He didn't know the flood would not work either.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 2:43 am
I can ask my old lady. She's a fucking know-it-all.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 7:57 am
As soon as one introduces omni-facets into a being, and then uses (for example) the bible as a reference of behaviour to said being, then you come up against contradiction after contradiction as to the reasoning and behaviour behind said actions.
I mean, just taking one idea, that an omni-faceted being would 'create' us in the first place makes no sense. Why would an omni-faceted being 'want' at all?
The only way out of this is to say that 'one cannot know the mind of [insert omni-faceted being]'. But even then you get into trouble because how does one know that if you can't know it? It's another contradiction.
If I were a theist, I would avoid any reference to an omni-faceted being. I have no idea what I'd say instead, but luckily for me I have no belief in any of this kind of thing so it doesn't matter. It's not my problem to resolve
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 8:31 am
(September 26, 2013 at 1:56 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If a being was convinced it was omniscient, then how could it be aware of what it does not know?
If a being truly is omniscient, then there would be nothing it didn't know.
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 9:46 am
(September 26, 2013 at 7:57 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: As soon as one introduces omni-facets into a being, and then uses (for example) the bible as a reference of behaviour to said being, then you come up against contradiction after contradiction as to the reasoning and behaviour behind said actions.
The whole thing just emphasizes the difference between omniscience and the claim of omniscience, to me. Christians claim that their god is all knowing, but how would they ever know? They don't know what's in the mind of god any more than atheists do. Hell, even a being proclaiming its own omniscience could never be sure of it, because if it didn't know something and was unaware that such a thing existed, then it would never know the inaccuracy its claim.
An intellectually honest being could never actually claim to be omniscient, because it could never be sure if that claim was correct, and therefore there's already something it doesn't know. Bam. 
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RE: Is god really omniscient?
September 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Why you be copying my threads Lemon?
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