Why atheism always has a burden of proof

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Lol, amazing. Just, amazing.

[Sword of Christ]

Lol, amazing. Just, amazing.

It certainly is. There wouldn't be much of a point having a savior if there wasn't anything that you clearly needed saving from. In this case what you're saved from is sin and the effects are here in this life as well the life beyond. You could say it's amazing grace.





That was written by an African slave trader btw.

[Zazzy]

There wouldn't be much of a point having a savior if there wasn't anything that you clearly needed saving from.

We're in total agreement here. I need saving from my own propensity to fuck around on the internet instead of getting my work done, but other than that, I'm good.

In this case what you're saved from is sin and the effects are here in this life as well the life beyond

Define sin.

[Brakeman]

No it's just human nature, without God humans will covet a multitude of gods. Back in the day they may have been literal idols to worship in a temple but these days the gods are stuff and addictions of the modern world. Drugs and alcohol abuse and whatever being peoples gods of choice. However once you come to the knowledge of the one true God that will become the central focus rather than the other stuff.

So anything that takes a sizable bit of your attention is a god now? That's a strange definition of god.

God
noun: God; noun: god; plural noun: gods; plural noun: the gods
1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

Hmm how does Drugs, money, or any of those other things fit the dictionary definition.

You just like to play silly word games.

[Bob Kelso]

And why is your god the only cure for "sin" SoC?

While I personally put no stock in any religion there are many faiths that promise a "wholeness of self" if you will, upon conversion.

Ah and I see you have touched on that since I began my post but I'll let the question stand seeing as your answer of them;

Though I'm sure other religions work as well though they are all based on works not grace given freely. If you're a Muslim you have to do this that and the other for instance.

Is simply dismissive and infers that your religion is correct through divine right.

Which, as you know, none of us accept.

As for god filling the void and need for vice/idol worship, he doesn't seem to be fulfilling that role very well. The number of alcoholic/sexually deviant/greedy/substance addicted Christians that I personally have been in contact with (a staggering percentage of Christians I have dealt with I assure you, in multiple locations) throughout my life seem to be no different than the heathen population. Why is that? An honest question.

Before you begin an "untrue Christian" or an "imperfect sinful nature" argument...

If a person truly believed, even for a moment, that Jesus was his savior then he is a true Christian is he/she not? According to certain denominations (the "once saved always saved" argument).

Also, according to your position, coming to your god is supposed to eliminate the needs for vice or sin that you're claiming is caused from the void of his presence, if he is unable to fill that void (under the surmise that this is his godly duty) does that not prove either his lack of power/existence/fucks given?

[DLJ]

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God grace
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It occurs to me that I have no idea what this means.

Could someone please explain this term.

Thanks.

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You he allow him to get to work by moving yourself out of his way.
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Is this connected to god grace? An out of body-ness? A kind of abdication of responsibility?

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That was written by an African slave trader btw.
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Indeed it was. By a christian / clergyman, IIRC, back when the church was all in favour of enslaving others rather than just the more modern self-slavery thing.

[downbeatplumb]

That being aside, the Jesus-hole swill that Christians like to serve is hilarious to me. Reminds me of the "Cure-All" salesmen of yore.

I almost googled jesus buttplug but thought better as my 11 year old is in the room.

[Tonus]

And why is your god the only cure for "sin" SoC?

Considering that without god there is no sin, it's a very convenient setup for the old boy.

[Angrboda]

Substance addiction or addiction to anything in general is what people will use to fill the void in their life when don't have their refuge in the Lord, you have their a safe port to set anchor rather than finding yourself tossed around on the turbulent seas of life.

And if one of us protests that we don't have a Jesus-hole in us, you'll scoff and bray at how little we understand, because you're not really interested in having a conversation, you just want to throw down your words like the turgid rubbish they are and walk away, safe in the knowledge that your Jesus-hole has been plugged for yet another day.

Ugh.

I love the the mental visual that "your Jesus-hole has been plugged" gives me.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Lol, amazing. Just, amazing.

It certainly is. There wouldn't be much of a point having a savior if there wasn't anything that you clearly needed saving from. In this case what you're saved from is sin and the effects are here in this life as well the life beyond. You could say it's amazing grace.





That was written by an African slave trader btw.

Whatever you say you lunatic.