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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:08 am
(October 3, 2013 at 7:45 am)Esquilax Wrote: Quote:God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
How? Magic?
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:13 am
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(October 3, 2013 at 6:36 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 1:14 am)max-greece Wrote: Fail number 3 (but I probably missed a couple - a man has to sleep occasionally).
Right - so the flood did it.
Questions:
Assuming that anything you noted is even true, I will answer these questions.
Questions:
How did the flood arrange the fossils so that, for example, there are no human bones found below the KT boundary and no dinosaur/pterosaur bones found above it?
Sorting due to settlement of sediments.
Also man would have initially moved to higher ground.
How did the marsupials find their way back to Australia after the flood - where marsupial fossils are found?
The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
How did lemurs find their way back to Madagascar after the flood when lemur fossils are found?
The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
Why are neither of the above groups found anywhere along the route from Ararat to Madagascar or Australia?
The land was divided later.
Why did certain species of cetaceans (whales) not survive the flood whilst others did?
The world change after the flood. So some species would wide out, others survive.
Why is there no genetic bottleneck for all the species of the earth found in the record at or around 5-6,000 years ago?
You are assuming that dating techniques are valid beyond the flood and its aftermath.
Why didn't the grass grow in the Sahara desert after so much water?
How do you know it did not?
Maybe the entire Sahara was just a wash in of sediment from the flood.
How did land plants survive immersion in water for such a long period?
Seeds
After the flood, what did the lions eat?
Not every animal kind on the Ark were by 2's.
Can anyone remember what fail number we are now at?
I've lost count.
We'll call if fail number 4.5 to cover it.
BTW - even more pathetic answers than I was expecting - and believe me I wasn't expecting much.
9 versions of "God did it"
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:19 am
(October 3, 2013 at 8:13 am)max-greece Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 6:36 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: [/hide]
Assuming that anything you noted is even true, I will answer these questions.
Questions:
How did the flood arrange the fossils so that, for example, there are no human bones found below the KT boundary and no dinosaur/pterosaur bones found above it?
Sorting due to settlement of sediments.
Also man would have initially moved to higher ground.
How did the marsupials find their way back to Australia after the flood - where marsupial fossils are found?
The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
How did lemurs find their way back to Madagascar after the flood when lemur fossils are found?
The land was not yet divided. That happens later.
God would have directed the animals back to the natural habitat.
Why are neither of the above groups found anywhere along the route from Ararat to Madagascar or Australia?
The land was divided later.
Why did certain species of cetaceans (whales) not survive the flood whilst others did?
The world change after the flood. So some species would wide out, others survive.
Why is there no genetic bottleneck for all the species of the earth found in the record at or around 5-6,000 years ago?
You are assuming that dating techniques are valid beyond the flood and its aftermath.
Why didn't the grass grow in the Sahara desert after so much water?
How do you know it did not?
Maybe the entire Sahara was just a wash in of sediment from the flood.
How did land plants survive immersion in water for such a long period?
Seeds
After the flood, what did the lions eat?
Not every animal kind on the Ark were by 2's.
Can anyone remember what fail number we are now at?
I've lost count.
We'll call if fail number 4.5 to cover it.
BTW - even more pathetic answers than I was expecting - and believe me I wasn't expecting much.
9 versions of "God did it"
I answered these already. So when did success mean failure.
You can answer my simple questions in the other topic.
Your turn.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:23 am
(October 3, 2013 at 8:08 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 7:45 am)Esquilax Wrote: How? Magic?
Still more believable than the volcano theory. 
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:36 am
(October 3, 2013 at 8:19 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 8:13 am)max-greece Wrote: Can anyone remember what fail number we are now at?
I've lost count.
We'll call if fail number 4.5 to cover it.
BTW - even more pathetic answers than I was expecting - and believe me I wasn't expecting much.
9 versions of "God did it"
I answered these already. So when did success mean failure.
You can answer my simple questions in the other topic.
Your turn.
You gave answers that do not hold water. Its a fail to say God did it. Sorry - them's the rules.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:49 am
Explanations of the flood story seem to go like this most of the time. As the questions and considerations become more difficult, god gets inserted into more points of the story to fill the gaps. Which finally leads one to wonder why he didn't just make all of the "bad people" keel over dead instantly instead of coming up with an elaborate scheme that was so difficult to pull off that he kept having to wave his magic wand to make it possible. "Here's how it could have happened without god's intervention, except for the parts where god intervenes" is simply not convincing.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:58 am
How do explain that Gandalf didn't die when the Balrog pulled him under?
How do explain that Harry and Ron didn't die when the flying car they were in crashed into the Whomping Willow?
How do you explain that Superman didn't die when he fought Doomsday and was beaten to a pulp?
How do you explain that Tyrion didn't die when he made a snide remark about Joffrey's dick?
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 8:59 am
(October 3, 2013 at 1:14 am)max-greece Wrote: How did the flood arrange the fossils so that, for example, there are no human bones found below the KT boundary and no dinosaur/pterosaur bones found above it?
How did the marsupials find their way back to Australia after the flood - where marsupial fossils are found?
How did lemurs find their way back to Madagascar after the flood when lemur fossils are found?
Why are neither of the above groups found anywhere along the route from Ararat to Madagascar or Australia?
Why did certain species of cetaceans (whales) not survive the flood whilst others did?
Why is there no genetic bottleneck for all the species of the earth found in the record at or around 5-6,000 years ago?
Why didn't the grass grow in the Sahara desert after so much water?
How did land plants survive immersion in water for such a long period?
After the flood, what did the lions eat?
Easy. God did it.
Quote:How can you be this stupid?
Again, God did it. Because it has to be a fucking miracle that anyone as incredibly stupid as SBG is can survive without remembering to breathe or being in incredible pain.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 9:03 am
(October 3, 2013 at 8:59 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 1:14 am)max-greece Wrote: How did the flood arrange the fossils so that, for example, there are no human bones found below the KT boundary and no dinosaur/pterosaur bones found above it?
How did the marsupials find their way back to Australia after the flood - where marsupial fossils are found?
How did lemurs find their way back to Madagascar after the flood when lemur fossils are found?
Why are neither of the above groups found anywhere along the route from Ararat to Madagascar or Australia?
Why did certain species of cetaceans (whales) not survive the flood whilst others did?
Why is there no genetic bottleneck for all the species of the earth found in the record at or around 5-6,000 years ago?
Why didn't the grass grow in the Sahara desert after so much water?
How did land plants survive immersion in water for such a long period?
After the flood, what did the lions eat?
Easy. God did it.
Quote:How can you be this stupid?
Again, God did it. Because it has to be a fucking miracle that anyone as incredibly stupid as SBG is can survive without remembering to breathe or being in incredible pain.
I already answered those questions.
Why do you try the simple questions I posed in the other topic.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 3, 2013 at 9:08 am
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(October 3, 2013 at 8:03 am)Crossless1 Wrote: If so, I have a few suggestions regarding a banana.
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(October 3, 2013 at 9:03 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I already answered those questions.
So did I, using the same answers. Goddidit.
(October 3, 2013 at 8:49 am)Tonus Wrote: Explanations of the flood story seem to go like this most of the time. As the questions and considerations become more difficult, god gets inserted into more points of the story to fill the gaps. Which finally leads one to wonder why he didn't just make all of the "bad people" keel over dead instantly instead of coming up with an elaborate scheme that was so difficult to pull off that he kept having to wave his magic wand to make it possible.
That's what I've said before. Any time God does something like that in the bible, instead of doing it the most easiest and quickest way, God always comes up with the most complicated plan. It's like instead of simply opening the door to get something out of the fridge, he invents some incredibly complicated Rube Goldberg contraption to open it.
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