And Hells come back to haunt me

[Brakeman]

There are many visions of hell; but that is all they are - visions. There is no evidence.

Can we talk about something interesting, like "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin"?

Well, using ICR science, we'd first have to agree on which dance they are doing. I propose the Macarena dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiBYM6g8Tck

[snowtracks]

Then there's no problem. Thanks for clearing that up.
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but it should be pointed out that who ends up there is not based on an individual's intellectual determination about the existence of God. having access to the dual sources of God's revelation (nature, and scripture) provides the answer the easiest, but still can be obtain by nature alone.

[Brakeman]

but it should be pointed out that who ends up there is not based on an individual's intellectual determination about the existence of God. having access to the dual sources of God's revelation (nature, and scripture) provides the answer the easiest, but still can be obtain by nature alone.

So the ancient middle east goat herders that wrote the bible fibbed about it being the only way to god? Does god know about this?

[snowtracks]

but it should be pointed out that who ends up there is not based on an individual's intellectual determination about the existence of God. having access to the dual sources of God's revelation (nature, and scripture) provides the answer the easiest, but still can be obtain by nature alone.

So the ancient middle east goat herders that wrote the bible fibbed about it being the only way to god? Does god know about this?

it's an honorable profession.

[Jackalope]

So the ancient middle east goat herders that wrote the bible fibbed about it being the only way to god? Does god know about this?

it's an honorable profession.

For some nonstandard values of honorable.

[Cyberman]

No, I would agree, goat herder is an honorable profession. Waking before dawn, doing all it takes to maintain the health and wellbeing of your charges, selling them at market, sleeping well after sundown after another day's hard graft.

As distinct from, say, preacher; getting paid for doing nothing else other than lie to your charges, fleecing them for all they're worth, telling them how they deserve their kindling fate unless they buy the cure that only you, special parasite you, can sell them, being trotted out as an authority figure on issues that shouldn't even concern you, and so on ad nauseam. I can't think of another profession that requires that you be either deluded enough actually to believe the lies you're selling or dishonest enough to convince others that you do - except maybe politician, but even they don't get a free pass, and those qualities aren't exactly job requirements anyway (for all they might help). Regardless, honorable isn't even the last thing it is.

[Tonus]

Or as Min would say, there's a difference between a goat herder and a goat fucker.

[snowtracks]

would be interesting to know what the atheist think happens after death (perhaps it's not discussed for lack of proof).

[Zazzy]

would be interesting to know what the atheist think happens after death (perhaps it's not discussed for lack of proof).

Of course I do not know, having never been dead. What I hope happens is that the Rainbow Bridge is true (best version of Heaven ever).

What all available evidence would seem to suggest is that my neurons will stop firing, and the essential me will die along with my body, and I'll rot. I'd love to believe I'll last, but nothing except mythology has ever suggested this is possible.

[Tonus]

I think we just cease to exist.