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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I will let you know what the rules are as the debate proceeds. Remember I have absolute say over the rules.
So... so... so...
We all read that, right?
You want to debate before setting up the rules, without agreement, so you can change them as we go?
That's not really how this works, Grace. We set the rules in stone before we start debating, and then a new thread gets made in the debate area and we have at it. I don't mind you selecting the rules, so long as they're laid out transparently and don't, say, suddenly change mid-stream.
If I debate, I will have total control over the parameters of the debate.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Let me guess: the first parameter is "grace wins, debate is over, no backsies."
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:07 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote: No no, let her post her rules. Let's give her the chance to dig her own grave on this one.
Grace, have at it. Show me what you want, and we'll get something going.
I will let you know what the rules are as the debate proceeds. Remember I have absolute say over the rules.
No.
The staff will not allow an official debate under those terms, as they are grossly biased to one participant.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote: No no, let her post her rules. Let's give her the chance to dig her own grave on this one.
Grace, have at it. Show me what you want, and we'll get something going.
I will let you know what the rules are as the debate proceeds. Remember I have absolute say over the rules.
No, douchebag, that's not how this is going to be. Esquilax has been more gracious to you than you will ever deserve by allowing you to basically set the terms. But the terms must be agreed upon prior to the debate. That is standard practice.
You don't get to start debating and then dictate the rules once you have begun.
Even you can't be so morally and intellectually bankrupt that you can't see the basic fairness of that. Not even you.
But you don't really want a fair debate, do you? It's ok to admit it. Again, we all know that you don't have a leg to stand on and will do anything to avoid having to face the fact. My guess is that Esquilax will publicly ass rape you in this debate, regardless of how hard you try to queer the outcome with your childish insistence on having it all your way.
It's a shame no one bitch slapped your parents years ago for not teaching you the most basic elements of fair play.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:11 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If I debate, I will have total control over the parameters of the debate.
Ah, you ARE a Poe! You really had me going for awhile. I thought you were being serious, but I suppose that's the point: you can't say anything parodying a creationist that's too stupid for a real creationist to say. I can't say I approve of 'Poe-ing', it seems a dishonest tactic, but I do admire the dedication you put into it.
I assume you didn't slip up here where you basically announced that there's no way you could win an honest debate under the normal debate rules of the forum and that it's just your way of coyly admitting you've been funning us.
Good one! I hope you'll break chararacter at some point and let everyone in on the joke.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:15 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If I debate, I will have total control over the parameters of the debate.
So, here's the debate rules thread. That's how these things are done here, though I'm willing to budge on some of the terms just to get you to account for yourself in an official context. That is, assuming the mods are willing to allow that.
I'm not in control of them, though, and if they decide that I'm not allowed to handicap myself by bowing to your (let's be honest, intensely biased) demands thus far, then I can't really do anything about that. At that point, you can either accept the regular rules, bow out, or take it up with the mods. Once again, I've got no issues debating you under terms you've chosen; just be aware that making them too flagrant isn't going to play well with the audience.
Though I do have to ask: why do you feel the need to tip the scales so far in favor of yourself from the outset, rather than just debating under neutral terms? In your own words, you feel your position is so strong that there's nothing I could do to refute it, so why do you then want to create even more advantages to yourself at my expense? What are you afraid is going to happen?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Grace, you do realise that if you refuse to debate Esquilax, everyone is never going to take you seriously again.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:20 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Grace, you do realise that if you refuse to debate Esquilax, everyone is never going to take you seriously again.
I think there's serious risk of that either way.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm
So, the only way you can prove that God is real and science is false is by getting to be the only one who sets the rules for debate, as you debate.
You're not helping the side of Christianity, but I suspect that's not your intent. I suspect you're just a big Poe/Troll.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 4:16 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If I debate, I will have total control over the parameters of the debate.
A demand expected from an ideologue proposing a hopeless position.
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