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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 5, 2014 at 5:40 am
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(June 5, 2014 at 2:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 3:22 am)Tonus Wrote: The "fifth day" of Genesis describes the creation of every type of sea-dwelling creature and all of the birds. Neither of which happen to appear in Cambrian fossil layers. day five introduces animals (sea, land, air) that are self aware creatures and as such manifest attributes of mind, will, emotions. Genesis 1:20,21: And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
God creates all of the creatures of the sea and every species of bird on the fifth day. If scientists had found birds in the Cambrian layer (or even a halibut), we'd all be creationists today. There are extremely few --if any!-- species from the Cambrian period which had not become extinct by the time the writer of Genesis described the fifth day of creation.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 5, 2014 at 7:46 am
(June 5, 2014 at 5:40 am)Tonus Wrote: God creates all of the creatures of the sea and every species of bird on the fifth day. If scientists had found birds in the Cambrian layer (or even a halibut), we'd all be creationists today. There are extremely few --if any!-- species from the Cambrian period which had not become extinct by the time the writer of Genesis described the fifth day of creation.
There was also no mention of the Sumerians kicking back with warm beer.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 5, 2014 at 11:59 pm
(June 5, 2014 at 5:40 am)Tonus Wrote: (June 5, 2014 at 2:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: day five introduces animals (sea, land, air) that are self aware creatures and as such manifest attributes of mind, will, emotions. Genesis 1:20,21: And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
God creates all of the creatures of the sea and every species of bird on the fifth day. If scientists had found birds in the Cambrian layer (or even a halibut), we'd all be creationists today. There are extremely few --if any!-- species from the Cambrian period which had not become extinct by the time the writer of Genesis described the fifth day of creation. okay, you are correct. sea mammals are introduced on day 5, specialized land mammals on day 6, on other land mammals, the text is silent.
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Abiogenesis is impossible
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 6, 2014 at 7:22 pm
For “the text is silent“, read “plot hole“.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 8, 2014 at 1:15 am
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 8, 2014 at 1:58 am
We are not necessarily alone at this very second but the distances are so great that for all practical purposes we are alone. I'm sure that there are billions of planets that have life forms, none of which are compatible with ours. So it's a good thing that are are so far from them.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 8, 2014 at 5:15 am
(June 8, 2014 at 1:15 am)snowtracks Wrote: it's irrational to discount all the design evidence by appealing to that which can never be observed or detect, or appealing to infinity; theories breakdown if infinity needs to be involved. carl sagan had it right, we are alone.
Seriously, how do you keep doing that? How do you keep chastising us for talking about things we "can never observe or detect" and then in the next sentence tell us about intelligent designers and god without your head exploding from the sheer cognitive dissonance?
Why are you such a hypocrite?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 8, 2014 at 4:19 pm
(June 8, 2014 at 1:15 am)snowtracks Wrote: it's irrational to discount all the design evidence by appealing to that which can never be observed or detect
Which pieces of your 'design evidence' can be observed or detected or tested? Where are the trademarks of your specific god on creation? Point to specific examples of evidence of design that could not possibly be explained in any other way but as being the product of your specific god.
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