Abiogenesis is impossible

[robvalue]

But it's quicker to say Goddidit, and it requires little or no study to say that.

The universe could have collapsed on itself and then expanded again. But we can't tell yet what happened before a certain point. So we let the religious guys make stuff up.

[The Grand Nudger]

You have to use smaller words Iatia, you say osmosis and Snow's head might fucking explode.

-Salt, Snow, all you need is salt to "regulate" what enters and exits a cell (you can use almost anything - but relative salinity will give you one of the more pronounced effects...which probably explains why it's so prevalent in living creatures - its how plants, for example: "pull water"). This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane. Gratz on this thread though, you've managed to erect a colossal monument to ignorance. I hope you never let it die.

[Chas]

Beginnings only make sense were time is linear like the our cosmic timeline that's unidirectional and unstoppable, and functions in the mode of cause and effect transactions. According the big bang cosmology theory: time, space, energy, matter began 13 billion years ago. If God caused the universe, by necessitate then He has access to at least another time dim. or it's equivalent and is independent of the comic timeline which requires a beginning.
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'everything else' is a contingent reality (cannot bring itself into existence).

That's a mighty big if.

[Cyberman]

@Rhythm

Yes, but salt is a fusion of sodium and chlorine. There's no possible way those specific atoms ever could have come together all by themselves without some kind of intelligent salt maker. And you believe it happened randomly not just once, but billions of times. Which is more ridiculous - unguided, unthinking chemistry operating by known and predictable principles; or an intelligent, invisible übermensch doing it all by magic for some unfathomable purpose having something to do with not touching your naughty bits?

Is "God" unbelievable or what!

[robvalue]

Abiogenesis is impossible (for fundamentalists to tell apart from evolution).

[Esquilax]

Beginnings only make sense were time is linear like the our cosmic timeline that's unidirectional and unstoppable, and functions in the mode of cause and effect transactions. According the big bang cosmology theory: time, space, energy, matter began 13 billion years ago. If God caused the universe, by necessitate then He has access to at least another time dim. or it's equivalent and is independent of the comic timeline which requires a beginning.

I love the "by necessity," as if you've somehow even attempted to demonstrate that point.

'everything else' is a contingent reality (cannot bring itself into existence).

And god is a hyper-contingent being (cannot ever bring himself into existence, even if you assert otherwise, forever, bindingly) See? I can define completely unjustified talking points into existence too!

[Whateverist]

And god is a hyper-contingent being (cannot ever bring himself into existence, even if you assert otherwise, forever, bindingly) See? I can define completely unjustified talking points into existence too!

Nuh uh. You forgot about omnipotent. That was clearly in the definition. Therefore no problem and sheep may safely sleep.

[snowtracks]

You have to use smaller words Iatia, you say osmosis and Snow's head might fucking explode.

-Salt, Snow, all you need is salt to "regulate" what enters and exits a cell (you can use almost anything - but relative salinity will give you one of the more pronounced effects...which probably explains why it's so prevalent in living creatures - its how plants, for example: "pull water"). This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane. Gratz on this thread though, you've managed to erect a colossal monument to ignorance. I hope you never let it die.

There are 7 billion people on this planet and everyone of them knows osmosis transports water thru the cell membrane, so obviously that’s not the discussion.
The membrane allow and disallows various substances by various specific channels within the membrane. Glucose molecules for example need to have an insulin molecule attached to gain entry thru a specific membrane gate or channel, and as such these type substances needs to be ‘actively’ transported thought to the cell by the expenditure of ATP energy. The mosaic structure to accommodate the various substances to first sense to allow or disallow, and then later transport thru the membrane is highly intricate.
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5192391_glu...cell_.html

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The cell membrane needs to have the capability to regulate what enters and exits the cell. The single cell itself and the membrane are both complex. Both system would have to arise simultaneously which hasn't been demonstrated by the evolution paradigm, not even close.
A model that has pre-planning is obviously required.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i...l+membrane

The current cells around us are very complex because they had millions of years of evolution. The first cell would be no where near that complex.

cell membrane, not cell.
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electronic microscopic bya soft-tissues are not preserved at archeological sites.

[Surgenator]

The current cells around us are very complex because they had millions of years of evolution. The first cell would be no where near that complex.

cell membrane, not cell.

Same answer just change cell to cell membrane.

[Landfish]

You people have no clue at all! Let me try thus again for slower people.

If the universe and its contents are too complex to come about by natural process..

Then how in the hell does you God gain access to origin?

You bitch about the big bang and then eexplain everything with much bigger bang, ie: God-AKA- HORSESHIT

I'm tired of eexplaining stuff to morons who can't think in the first place. So go fly into buildings, shoot up school children and reason ignorant til death. I no longer care.

Can you at least quit interfering with thinking people? Where's your flock?