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Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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You wrote a list of things like "philosophical arguments you can't refute," and "Evidence/s throughout history of various kinds," and yet you haven't provided any.
Provide evidence.
You understand that saying "there is evidence" is not the same thing as actually providing evidence, do you not?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:40 pm
(February 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Alex K Wrote: Ok let's drop the explicit wishful thinking part then (4,5) and go to 3: It's you who has to provide a solid philosophical argument which one can't refute. One is enough, really...
It's wishful thinking if you don't believe God exists to begin with but you only believe God doesn't exist because in your own opinion which is not based on evidence (evidence that can't be interpreted as being the work of a higher being so you can't use evolution and the big bang as evidence). When it comes to faith in God (faith is not knowledge you can be wrong) you have evidence/s and logic and reason to back it up with. Atheism says God doesn't exist and then doesn't explain why. Atheism declares that God must be proven with science when science can only study what God created and the mechanisms and natural processes involved not God himself.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm
Someone still doesn't understand the burden of proof......
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:43 pm
(February 19, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (February 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Alex K Wrote: Ok let's drop the explicit wishful thinking part then (4,5) and go to 3: It's you who has to provide a solid philosophical argument which one can't refute. One is enough, really...
It's wishful thinking if you don't believe God exists to begin with but you only believe God doesn't exist because in your own opinion which is not based on evidence (evidence that can't be interpreted as being the work of a higher being so you can't use evolution and the big bang as evidence). When it comes to faith in God (faith is not knowledge you can be wrong) you have evidence/s and logic and reason to back it up with. Atheism says God doesn't exist and then doesn't explain why. .
Oh wow, you're trapped, and there's no way out!
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm
(February 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Someone still doesn't understand the burden of proof......
You can't prove God exists if he exists.
![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgjcyjhHA00KG0hlPkrwR...6FkjhEm6il]](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgjcyjhHA00KG0hlPkrwR87S040rnx94qtLHj3nK6FkjhEm6il)
Feel free to point where God is in this picture.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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(February 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Someone still doesn't understand the burden of proof......
You can't prove God exists if he exists.
Feel free to point where God is in this picture. Failing that what kind of apparatus do you have in mind you can set up to detect the presence of God. You apparently believe this can be done so I'm interested to know how you're going to do this.
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Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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(February 19, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (February 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Alex K Wrote: Ok let's drop the explicit wishful thinking part then (4,5) and go to 3: It's you who has to provide a solid philosophical argument which one can't refute. One is enough, really...
It's wishful thinking if you don't believe God exists to begin with but you only believe God doesn't exist because in your own opinion which is not based on evidence (evidence that can't be interpreted as being the work of a higher being so you can't use evolution and the big bang as evidence). When it comes to faith in God (faith is not knowledge you can be wrong) you have evidence/s and logic and reason to back it up with. Atheism says God doesn't exist and then doesn't explain why. Atheism declares that God must be proven with science when science can only study what God created and the mechanisms and natural processes involved not God himself.
This is not evidence. You claim to have mountains and volumes of evidence. Why can't you provide any?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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The problem is, there are so many unfalsifiable things. Which is right?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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(February 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: This is not evidence. You claim to have mountains and volumes of evidence.
I've just listed all the evidence there has your mind blanked it out?
Quote:Why can't you provide any?
What specifically do you want? I've already explained why you can't have scientific proof of God so you will have to make do with the evidence and the rational arguments. What do you have against evidence and reason?
Bloody hell look at this.
![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5scMUkFOezH-RvsgmLs_...mBys-eNAyI]](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5scMUkFOezH-RvsgmLs_aipUCVglK7g8PXjE4zrmBys-eNAyI)
Right supposing you have never seen a car or any man made machine before and you see this. On seeing this you say "If there are an infinite numbers of universes (which I don't exist and can't prove) then blind natural forces will over an infinite period of time combine in such a way that this object you see here will form."
It's the exact same logic you're using. Seriously though.
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Abiogenesis is impossible
February 19, 2014 at 2:49 pm
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(February 19, 2014 at 2:48 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (February 19, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: This is not evidence. You claim to have mountains and volumes of evidence.
I've just listed all the evidence there has your mind blanked it out?
Quote:Why can't you provide any?
What specifically do you want? I've already explained why you can't have scientific proof of God so you will have to make do with the evidence and the rational arguments. What do you have against evidence and reason?
You didn't provide any evidence or reasoned arguments. You just claimed both exist.
Either you do not understand what constitutes evidence, or you are playing dumb because you are unable to provide any after claiming you have volumes.
You're doing the equivalent of standing in a courtroom during a murder trial, and holding up a piece of paper with "Bloody Knife" written on it.
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