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Abiogenesis is impossible
RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
(May 26, 2014 at 10:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 11:56 pm)Beccs Wrote: Considering many of us have neanderthal DNA it means we were closely related enough to them to breed with them in the past. The same cannot be said for modern apes, some of which we share 90% + DNA with.

This seems to indicate that they were a human subspecies
From a biblical viewpoint, biological similarities between humans and other primates would be expected since both are fashioned from the same substance (‘out of the ground all the beasts…”), so genetic similarities should exist between humans and other animals. And an even greater dna similarity should exist between humans and other primates since the design template is basically the same.
now in the case of human beings (made in God's image), they have a spirit which accounts for behavior and cognitive ability differences from other primates.

Yeah, but science doesn't look at the world through your little book of fantasy. It looks at the world through a logical, scientific viewpoint - you know, with evidence and stuff like that. Something that the creationist viewpoint can't provide.

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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
(May 26, 2014 at 10:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote: From a biblical viewpoint, biological similarities between humans and other primates would be expected since both are fashioned from the same substance (‘out of the ground all the beasts…”), so genetic similarities should exist between humans and other animals. And an even greater dna similarity should exist between humans and other primates since the design template is basically the same.
now in the case of human beings (made in God's image), they have a spirit which accounts for behavior and cognitive ability differences from other primates.

And yet you were the guy bitching in the other thread that the multiverse hypothesis isn't observable and doesn't fit in with the scientific method... Thinking

You really will just use any argument you can to advance your faith based, emotionally driven religious beliefs, heedless of contradictions, won't you?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
(May 26, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Chas Wrote:
(May 26, 2014 at 10:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote: From a biblical viewpoint, biological similarities between humans and other primates would be expected since both are fashioned from the same substance (‘out of the ground all the beasts…”), so genetic similarities should exist between humans and other animals. And an even greater dna similarity should exist between humans and other primates since the design template is basically the same.
now in the case of human beings (made in God's image), they have a spirit which accounts for behavior and cognitive ability differences from other primates.

You've never read a biology book, have you.

Creationist claims of "Goddidit!" or, if you're from certain areas, "god did done it, hyuk!" count as biology books if it's written down, right?

ROFLOL

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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
(May 26, 2014 at 10:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote: From a biblical viewpoint, biological similarities between humans and other primates would be expected since both are fashioned from the same substance (‘out of the ground all the beasts…”), so genetic similarities should exist between humans and other animals. And an even greater dna similarity should exist between humans and other primates since the design template is basically the same.
now in the case of human beings (made in God's image), they have a spirit which accounts for behavior and cognitive ability differences from other primates.

Okay, so we're pretty much agreed that humans and other simian primates share genetic similarities. The point of disagreement is with the mechanism for them. From an evolutionary standpoint, the similarities are well explained, as indeed are the differences; the most notable perhaps being the fusion of chromosome #2 in human DNA.

Your biblical viewpoint, on the other hand, rather than offering any explanation or mechanism, merely adds another layer of mystery which itself requires explaining. Go for it - we're all ears.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
I wanted to try being a creationist once. It turned out that a lobotomy on that scale would negatively affect my career . . .

And my intellect.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
I sympathise. Being a creationist must require such wilful rejection, not just of science but of reality in general, that it goes beyond the bounds of denial and into the realm of performance art.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Abiogenesis is impossible
(May 22, 2014 at 2:27 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(May 20, 2014 at 1:30 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: [Image: u7yba7up.jpg]
same pattern, whenever have no scientific rebuttal, post a cartoon. you needn't feel downtrodden, just learn the art of losing gracefully.

Cartoons best reflect your understanding of the material. And given that you haven't bothered to read a single link and educate yourself, well...

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(May 26, 2014 at 10:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 11:56 pm)Beccs Wrote: Considering many of us have neanderthal DNA it means we were closely related enough to them to breed with them in the past. The same cannot be said for modern apes, some of which we share 90% + DNA with.

This seems to indicate that they were a human subspecies
From a biblical viewpoint, biological similarities between humans and other primates would be expected since both are fashioned from the same substance (‘out of the ground all the beasts…”), so genetic similarities should exist between humans and other animals. And an even greater dna similarity should exist between humans and other primates since the design template is basically the same.
now in the case of human beings (made in God's image), they have a spirit which accounts for behavior and cognitive ability differences from other primates.

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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
get on the right side of the deal:
The bottom line is that the universe is at least ten billion orders of magnitude (a factor of 1010,000,000,000times) too small or too young for life to have assembled itself by natural processes.(i) These kinds of calculations have been done by researchers, both non-theists and theists, in a variety of disciplines.(42-58)
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles...nt-design/
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
(June 4, 2014 at 1:50 am)snowtracks Wrote: get on the right side of the deal:
The bottom line is that the universe is at least ten billion orders of magnitude (a factor of 1010,000,000,000times) too small or too young for life to have assembled itself by natural processes.(i) These kinds of calculations have been done by researchers, both non-theists and theists, in a variety of disciplines.(42-58)
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles...nt-design/

Calculations done by people who don't know all the methods and processes by which life could arise naturally mean very little. If you're making claims of probability without knowing all the variables, that probability is necessarily incorrect.

So... good job? You linked to something that was wrong before I even clicked on it.
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